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I live in Houston, where we had a severe freeze a few months ago. I opened a bunch of faucets to drip, but one of my pipes (above a master closet) still burst. That forced me to turn off the water and drain some sections of pipe to patch the hole with putty and tape. Since then, whenever an irrigation valve opens (after a long period of them all being closed), I hear the pipe near the patch banging on the ceiling joists upon which it rests. The pipe turns a right-angle corner at that spot. I've got pictures at the bottom of this post, but here are my questions:

  • What is this called? Is it water hammer? The sound isn't coming from the water slamming against a valve. It comes from the pipe vibrating so wildly that it bangs against the joists. It is like a jackhammer: a few seconds of loud bangs in rapid succession.
  • What is causing it, and why didn't it happen before the freeze? Is my patch the culprit, or is it possible that I refilled the pipes with water in a way that removed the air pockets at the tops of the dead legs?
  • What's the fix? Do I just need a permanent replacement of the burst pipe? Do I need to restore the air pockets in the dead legs? Do I need to replace the dead legs with water hammer arrestors? On both sides or just the cold side?

Here is a simplified diagram of some of the pipes in question. Water supply from the street enters from the left.

diagram

  • A: The irrigation system splits off here with an in-ground double-check valve
  • B: Water enters the house here and passes by a shower
  • C: Right angle where the banging occurs
  • D: My patch
  • E: Dead leg before the water heater
  • F: Water heater

Here is a video showing the sound and location of the hammering. This is not a typical example, but hopefully it is good enough. Usually it is much louder and much faster, maybe two or three times.

Here is a picture showing a clearer angle of the clip holding the pipe onto the joist, and of the right-angle turn at the end of the straight pipe.

clip and turn

Here's a picture of my patch, with my finger resting on the pipe for scale.

patch

Here's a picture of the dead leg on the cold supply side. Pictured is another dead leg wrapped in insulation for the hot discharge side. This setup is replicated for the water heater on the other side of the house.

dead leg

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  • test that dead leg with a lighter; flame it for 5 seconds, then touch the pipe. If it's hot there's air in the pipe, if room temp there's water. – dandavis Jun 21 at 21:21
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    @dandavis also great way to find out if it's copper, PEX or Poly-B. One time only....;) – P2000 Jun 21 at 23:45
  • @P2000 if you can't tell metal from plastic by looking/feeling, my condolences. – dandavis Jun 22 at 19:48
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The Jack hammer of the pipes is water hammer (physical movement)

Why are your dead legs not absorbing the shock. 2 possibilities; 1st the dead leg has filled with water, I have heard of this happening but have not experienced it. Draining the pipe and allowing the dead leg to drain and refill with air.

Second is the new patched section of pipe allows for more movement. Anchoring the pipe alone can reduce or eliminate most water hammer.

I would first take the easy route to drain the dead leg lines and allow them to refill with air , to eliminate the water hammer secure the pipes that are moving.

Between these 2 methods I have rarely seen water hammer be a problem unless the supply sizes and dead leg were undersized.

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Anchoring is what's required here.

These dead ended pipes are notorious for swaying when left unstrapped. The patch added a lumped weight which exacerbates the problem.

Rather than moving the pipes, include additional support.

The rapid succession you hear is the pipe resonating from its own weight and elasticity while knocking against wood, and this happens when it is hit by a one shot water hammer from a closing valve. A thick patch adds weight to a specific spot in the pipe, which can increase the severity of the resonance.

Install some lumber that can run along the pipe, and then use a mix of brackets, braces and all-round to attach each length firmly at two opposing ends (e.g. its top and bottom) to framing of the house. Be careful not to penetrate fasteners through any roof or wall sheathing.

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  • To be clear, my patch is nowhere near the dead ends, and the dead ends are not causing any noise (even if they swayed, there's nothing close enough to bang against). The hammering only happens when the irrigation valves open, not close. But I will try to secure the pipe. – John Freeman Jun 21 at 21:22
  • @JohnFreeman ok good info, so then I don't know what's hammering. If it's hard to anchor those pipes and you are not sure, you can just do apply a temporary anchor to see if it reduces the noise, which would give you a hint. Is your noise a bang-bang-bang or a ratatatatata? Maybe the pipe is bowing & straightening with varying pressure & flow, and rubbing through an opening. – P2000 Jun 21 at 21:34
  • I've added a video and picture to the question, to see and hear the hammering. – John Freeman Jun 21 at 23:43
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    good. That could also sound like a sprinkler valve that is soft/unstable, perhaps due to shockwaves reflecting in the sprinkler tubing. Was the valve also exposed to frost? Where is the valve? is it a solenoid (electrical), and are you operating a switch in the video? If so, is there a shutoff after the solenoid that you could close to see of the sound persists? I doubt the patch is the issue. – P2000 Jun 21 at 23:59
  • I don't think it was cold long enough for the ground to freeze. The valves are very far away, measured in length of pipe. The first is probably 100 ft away. They are solenoid. In the video, I'm using an app to remotely open the valve for the first zone. There are no valves after each solenoid. – John Freeman Jun 22 at 19:34
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The damaged section of pipe may be creating turbulence of a frequency at or near a resonant frequency of the unsecured pipe. If the sprinkler valves open much more quickly than ordinary manual manipulation, this could set up time varying turbulence.

First thing I would do is replace the damaged section of pipe with a new section of pipe. If you are not experienced with sweating copper fittings, you could call a plumber.

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