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I understand that solar panels generate low DC voltage, and public power lines require high AC voltage. I am also aware of the device called Power Inverter which converts DC power with low voltage to (ideally same) AC power with a higher voltage.

But I don't believe that just connecting input of the inverter to solar panels and output of it to the AC line would work. I think the phases of the inverter output and the public AC voltage must match each other.

I also feel that I would need a different power-meter for my house. Because the current one is designed for one-way transfer of electricity; it may not be detecting the direction of power transfer.

What hardware is used for this purpose? I want implement the circuits myself if I can. Please guide me on this. Is there any article explaining the electronic details and background of selling home-generated DC voltage to the electric company?

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    You need to ask the electric company. Connecting something without their permission is likely to be a criminal offence, as well as possibly dangerous to their technicians.
    – Brian Drummond
    Commented Dec 17, 2012 at 12:38
  • I didn't know I had to buy a standard official device. And I didn't know the danger of attempting to build my own device. That's why I asked it here. Why am I getting down-votes for that? Commented Dec 17, 2012 at 12:55
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    Probably downvoted because you asked us about selling electricity to your electric company, but forgot to mention who they were. I could point you to the Scottish Hydro website, but that might not help you much. This site might : microgenerationcertification.org
    – Brian Drummond
    Commented Dec 17, 2012 at 13:07
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    A "Grid Tie" will automatically match Frequency & Phase, it will also shut down on failure of Mains from the power company. As you add power to your mains, your power meter will slow down, because you will be providing some of your own usage. If by some rare event, you use less power than you are inputing, your power meter will run the other direction. A "Grid Tie" is very efficient (electrically), Solar conversion and battery storage is in-efficient. Google Images will show circuits, e-bay will give pricing ideas.
    – Optionparty
    Commented Dec 17, 2012 at 14:09
  • homemadecircuitsandschematics.blogspot.com/2012/10/…
    – Optionparty
    Commented Dec 17, 2012 at 14:17

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You need an on-grid or grid-tie inverter, and you can buy them far cheaper than you can possibly build them. In any case the power company and electricity regulator won't let you implement the circuits yourself unless you're prepared to spend thousands on certification tests, including requirements to, for example, shutdown within a millisecond of mains loss.

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This isn't something you can or should build at home. Building your own inverter to power stuff in your house is one thing, but connecting it up to the power lines could kill people working on power outages in your neighborhood.

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The biggest reason to buy rather than build is for the safet of prople working on the lines. You really don't want to be responsible for electrocuting someone who had every reason to believe the wire was not energised. Comnercial devices ensure that when the grid goes down you stop trying to pump power into it -- and if they fail to do so, the liability is the manufacturer's, not yours. This is not a place you want to try to save a fairly trivial amount of moner=y.

And the power company won't authorize net billing without approved hardware anyway, so even if you could make it work and make it safe you couldn't make it pay.

It's a trivial part of the cost of the system. Do it right, or don't do it.

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But I don't believe that just connecting input of the inverter to solar panels and output of it to the AC line would work. I think the phases of the inverter output and the public AC voltage must match each other.

Correct. But this is a very common problem, and so a constellation of products have been developed to do exactly that. They are called "Grid Tie" inverters. Not only can they sync to the grid, they must. They must not inject onto the grid when the power is down!*

The requirements for a grid-tie inverter are specified by our old friend UL (Underwriter's Laboratories, i.e. insurance underwriters) - in their UL 1741 document. There are also issues on the panel side, such as Rapid Shutdown (NEC 690.12), which the grid-tie inverter may be involved in. (makes perfect sense to Rapid Shutdown anytime the grid is down, and the grid-tie inverter is well-suited to provide that feature).

I also feel that I would need a different power-meter for my house. Because the current one is designed for one-way transfer of electricity; it may not be detecting the direction of power transfer.

Correct. If you have the wrong kind of meter, it will charge you for the power you are generating, instead of pay you. So you need to coordinate with the electric company. Naturally they will want to pay you very little for your generated power; but this is a scam.

Actually, solar panels make peaking power by nature. Peaking is the highest-demand time, when they are spinning up all the generators, even the expensive ones - the diesels and gas turbines. (partly, they're expensive because the bank wants the mortgage paid 24x7). Peaking power commands top dollar in the spot market, which is right where solar is. However most residents are flat-rate billed, i.e. at 12 cents/kwh. So even "net metering" is a sweet deal for the power company, as they are paying "average" prices for valuable peak power.

What hardware is used for this purpose? I want implement the circuits myself if I can.

No. Labors of love are worth their weight in gold. Don't waste it reinventing this wheel. A UL 1741 inverter is a very serious engineering work, akin to building your own G4 cell phone. It's a huge skill mountain to climb, mostly boring, inapplicable to other fields, and full of regulatory claptrap. Not worth it. Buy a COTS UL 1741 inverter, and spend your love on a project where innovation has a chance of being rewarded, you have a chance of finishing, and it'll actually help your resume.



* What's the matter with making AC when the grid is down? Inevitably some epsilon-minus would wire it so it's still attached to the grid, which would backfeed distribution transformers. When you backfeed a transformer, you step up voltage instead of stepping ot down. This energizes parts of the grid that are expected to be off. This is bad news for both linemen (who, in haste to restore power, often don't do full ground-out procedures), and random citizens near downed lines, which were thought to be a non-priority since they are on the dead side of the break.

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