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so I live in NYC and I recently become a homeowner. I'm handy and I tend to fix/repair small things myself most of the time. in my condo, I replaced old/broken sconces and kitchen ceiling lamps, replaced old greasy switches with WIFI switches, and install a Nest thermostat. I didn't do any rewiring, I didn't move any box or any other hack. simply connected black with black, red with red, white with white (and double-checked everything with a tester.)

Reading official blogs etc, I'm now confused because it seems the law is very strict and you need a permit for the banalest thing.

So what should I do now? Do I have to have an electrician come and inspect and certify my work? Will I get a violation ticket IF an inspector or a neighbor sends me one? Even our property manager didnt know too much about it and she mentioned permits only for rewiring

What I'm confused about the most is that when i bought my property i didn't get any certification on paper regarding the electrical or plumbing system. I don't have a piece of paper to submit to my insurance (which they don't require btw) to say hey this condo is certified. So how can anyone prove the certification btw?

everything seems a little blurry

please recommend or share your personal experience

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    So this isn't illegal or legal... it is code or not code. (Not talking about wanton disregard) No one is arrested for replacing a receptacle. Now your local inspector might tell you its not code - which honestly is bullcrap and I would just swap it anyway. You don't need an electrician to replace a functioning switch in your house or light or anything that is swapping same for same.
    – DMoore
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 20:02
  • yes, that's the other point I'm trying to make, and is that everything was working properly and I only swapped aesthetics essentially. I dint try to fix or troubleshoot myself serious problems.. anyways...
    – Cent
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 5:09

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The letter of the law is addressed in an earlier answer, so we'll leave that discussion there, but I do want to address the point

I replaced old/broken sconces and kitchen ceiling lamps, replaced old greasy switches with WIFI switches, and install a Nest thermostat.

The issues here are often overlooked by the DIY and the point is that you don't know what you don't know. Now, I don't meant to poke holes in your knowledge or skills, but there is a reason why some types of DIY work should be inspected.

Did you use the right type of wire? Did you know there are fire rating requirements, even for LV wiring? For instance, one cannot put just any speaker wire behind walls, and not all LV cabling is allowed for thermostats...etc.

Did you use approved wire nuts? Are the sconces grounded correctly?

Are the WiFi and other IoT type electronics UL listed? Did you check the box fill?

Your concern is really what will legally happen in the event of a fire or personal injury, and are you then covered by a) your condo/property insurance and b) your private contents insurance.

Depending on the magnitude of the damage, lawyers may call on technical experts to find even the smallest flaw. If no flaws are found you might be off the hook, but it will be an arduous and nerve wrecking process nevertheless.

Your way out of this is to inquire with both insurance companies or your broker, and ask if submitting a certified electrician's inspection report would satisfy your coverage requirements. Often this is acceptable to them because it shifts liability to the electrician's professional insurance.

What remains then is any punitive consequences (fines) for not arranging a city permit. This is often limited by what is on record and the dollar value of the work done, and it really only matters if and when the un-permitted work is discovered, and even then in the case of minor work it may depend on whether it was done with proper or blatantly poor workmanship.

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    I hear everything you said. But then my new garage was wired with 14 NM cable being protected by a 20 A circuit breaker, by a licensed master (?) electrician and sign off by the local inspector. Go figure. Point here is it be just as bad when the pros do it than if a DIY'er did it.
    – SteveSh
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 1:21
  • in my case I didn't do any rewiring, as I said, I removed a sconce, put back a vintage sconce I found in a vintage store, suing the same twist-lock caps, the same everything. I didn't add or change anything but the sconce aesthetic essentially. The light switches are brand new wifi things i guess they must be ok.. idk everything seems absurd.
    – Cent
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 5:07
  • @SteveSh yes, and you had safety margin at work. But notably, the liability was covered by them not you.
    – P2000
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 6:09
  • @Cent "i guess they must be ok", well one thing I'd double check is their UL and the box fill. You can take pictures and ask about it in a new question. You'll get good answers here. However, despite all that, the liability will still lie with you. Did you ask your insurance broker?
    – P2000
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 6:14
  • @P2000 - Perhaps. But if there was a liability issue, it would be a he said/she said situation. The contractor and inspector - "Well I installed the proper protection device and it passed inspection." Homeowner - "I haven't made any changes."
    – SteveSh
    Commented Nov 16, 2021 at 12:15
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Here is what the official NYC government website has to say:

Work you can do without a permit, Licensed Master Electrician or Registered Design Professional

No installation and modification to any electrical systems can be performed without a permit and a Licensed Master Electrician.

Work you can do without a permit

No installation and modification to any electrical systems can be performed without a permit.

That same page defines "Electrical Systems work" as:

Electrical Systems work is the new design and installation, alteration, or repair of any electric wires, wiring apparatus and other appliances used or to be used for the transmission of electricity for electric light, heat, power, signaling, communication, alarm and data transmission.

Installation and modification work may also include the necessary equipment, usually consisting of a circuit breaker(s), switch(es), fuse(s) and their accessories, connected to the load end of service conductors to a building or other structure, or an otherwise designated area, and intended to constitute the main control and cutoff of the supply.

It is pretty clear that this includes light switches and fixtures (see below).

There are many thousands of people who are doing the same thing you have done, and in most cases nobody from the government knows or cares.

However, if you would have an electrical fire as a result of your work, it is extremely likely that your insurance company would try to get out of paying, and you might face legal penalties.


Your thermostat is probably not included in the above requirements because it is low voltage, not full line voltage. There may be separate requirements for modifications to HVAC systems, but I am not aware of them.


UPDATE: There was some discussion in the comments about whether your case is included in the definition of "Electrical Systems work" or not, so here is another quote from the page:

Minor Electrical Work. Replacement and repairs, listed below, requires a NYC Licensed Master Electrician and an electrical permit, but does not require a DOB Inspection, for this type of work.

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D. Replacement of defective controls (30 amps and under);

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F. Replacement of fixtures in existing outlets (no more that 5 fixtures; no increase in wattage;

I could not find an official code definition of "Controls" used in part D, but a dictionary definition would definitely include light switches.

"Outlets" mentioned in part F means any place in the wiring system that is meant to connect something. This includes any wall or ceiling junction box intended to connect a light fixture (what code calls a "luminaire"), and it therefore prohibits you from replacing light fixtures by yourself.


A comparison between the city code for plumbing vs. electrical is also informative.

Section 28-105.4.2 of the NYC Construction code defines "Ordinary repairs" to include:

... the repair or replacement of any plumbing fixture, piping or faucets from any exposed stop valve to the inlet side of a trap.

Such "ordinary repairs" for plumbing do not require a permit.

I have not found any similar exception for electrical fixtures.

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    Out of curiosity, if you walk into a hardware store in NYC (if they even exist inside NYC), can you buy receptacles and light switches or is that contraband?
    – JPhi1618
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 15:35
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    signaling, communication, alarm and data transmission. Wow, that would include thermostats, etjernet, etc. In most places low voltage stuff is a total non-issue. I had one commercial job where that was an issue, though only in a minor way. When it gets to low voltage I really get to wondering how much is safety vs. unions. Just saying. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 15:45
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    As far as stores selling parts, the presumption is (cough cough) that you're picking up stuff to hand to a licensed professional got installation. Which does happen sometimes. Years ago I needed a hot water heater in a hurry. Plumber said if I'd pick it up, he'd install it. Etc. Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 15:50
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    Seeing this is a condo and other non family people are living in the building, it is probably a good idea to have an electrician inspect the work. This way you have proof that the work has pass inspection.
    – crip659
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 16:23
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    Having an electrician inspect the work and write a letter can satisfy the insurance. Contact insurance and ask. This may be your easiest way out.
    – P2000
    Commented Nov 15, 2021 at 17:37

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