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Old house (new to me), one floor, city water. Mostly copper pipes, some pex in remodeled areas, gas hot water. House is 62 years old, plumbing might not be as city water was added after build (I do not know when).

After moving in I noticed lack of an expansion tank, checked pressure and after hot water use with faucets closed got the expected rise in pressure (a bit over 100psi) with immediate relief if you run just a bit of water. All that seemed normal, had plumber install expansion tank, and at the same time plumb for my home assistant pressure monitor. Calibrated it to regular gauge and cross checked with plumbers gauge. At the same time we raised the house feed's regulator from 50 to 60psi. So please assume this isn't measurement error.

Now I get really high pressure at times that does not fall with minor use (not like expansion tank issue) but falls low with heavier use, like watering a lawn or a long shower. It then rises slowly. Below is a plot of pressure for a few days.

Yesterday the pressure dropped while watering the lawn to approximately 50psi, then when watering stopped quickly rose to my set point of 60 (so that seemed normal) then over night kept rising to about 95. In the night I used water (but no sign of it on the chart) and this morning I flushed 5 times (to have a quantitative idea of use, so about 6 gallons) and it fell from 95 to 92 and is now rising again (4 of these flushes are off the shown chart, the first had no affect).

Expansion tank was set to 60psi by the way.

I don't know what to make of this. I know I needed the expansion tank, that's fixed. These rises do not seem associated with water heating at all, just time. The quick rise near 60 after heavy use seems to say the regulator was set properly.

Is there such a concept as a regulator "leaking" so that it slowly allows the pressure to rise too high? The fall to 50 with heavy use I guess could be all the old pipes can support, though it's suspiciously near the default/prior regulator setting. And it all seems to level off around 100psi (street pressure?). But the quick rise when usage stops to near 60 looks consistent with the regulator setting (though also the expansion tank setting).

Could I have the regulator set it too high? (But wouldn't the rise be quicker then? Like immediate after turning off all faucets?)

I don't want to just start turning the screw trying to chase this due to the slow nature of the rise (and lack of fall with minor use -- e.g. when we set it, we left a small flow going on one faucet).

Basically hoping for a theory of what could cause this to help chase it down?

Linwood

Update: I finally got around to replacing the PRV (well, the guts inside). I'm posting two new screen shots, one is the guts, and one is a graph showing the transition (ignore the two near zero it was while doing the replacement, the first attempt I got a bad O-ring in there, and had to do it again.

Last few days

enter image description here Guts of PRV

Pressure

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    your pressure regulator doesn't work right would be my guess.
    – Tiger Guy
    Commented Jun 25 at 17:26
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    Can you measure the pressure on the inlet side of the regulator -- is it ~95 psi, by chance? Yes it's possible the PRV could leak pressure. Many types can be disassembled and cleaned, by the way. There may be a bit of debris preventing a good seal with the diaphragm inside.
    – Greg Hill
    Commented Jun 25 at 18:03
  • No. It comes up out of the slab, has the regulator and a Tee, and then the main feed to the house dives back into the slab. It would require cutting into it. Hmmm... disassemble and clean... I'll have to look and see which side my cutoff is on.
    – Linwood
    Commented Jun 25 at 19:18

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Your pressure regulator isn't regulating. Water is leaking past the seals and causing the pressure to rise beyond the set pressure.

Normally that can be fixed with a rebuild kit that replaces the internal seals that wear over time. If there's damage to the parts they seal against, you might need a whole new regulator. If you need a whole new regulator, consider putting a filter rated for the full city supply pressure ahead of it - though many regulators do have a basic filter screen in the inlet (which you should clean when rebuilding it.) Apart from old age and rubber cracking, debris in the incoming water is the most likely culprit to damage the seals.

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  • Thank you. I need crawl down there and get a part number or something to try to find a rebuild kit. And need to figure out the in vs out, I HOPE the cutoff valve is on the street side and not the house side.
    – Linwood
    Commented Jun 26 at 17:54

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