We currently have a renewable power system (solar, hydro and wind sources charging a 48v DC battery bank) connected to an inverter, which in turn supplies 230V power to a house.

Due to the lack of sun, wind and rain we have found that we need to start a (new) generator to top up the power in the DC battery bank. This is achieved by connecting the generator to a 230v input on the inverter, which in turn charges the battery bank (the inverter is operating as a battery charge controller also).

The inverter has neutral tied to earth. The generator also has neutral tied to earth. Both have their own earth stakes.

Moments after the generator is started, while the generator is being synchronised to the inverter's supply, the generator's RCD trips.

If the house is turned off (isolated), the RCD does not trip.

The house has its own RCDs, but they haven't tripped.

Do you have any ideas of what the problem could be, and how I would isolate it?

  • "The inverter has neutral tied to earth. The generator also has neutral tied to earth". RCDs detect imbalance between Live and Neutral currents. As your neutral current is split between neutral and earth connections, this is exactly what should happen.
    – Brian Drummond
    Commented Nov 15, 2016 at 16:46
  • Use Neutral<->Neutral, Hot<->Hot wiring. You can tie PE to earth. As @Brian Drummond wrote, RCD is supposed to detect leakage to earth from load side and that is what happening.
    – Flanker
    Commented Nov 15, 2016 at 17:47
  • 3
    Well you can tie neutral to earth at ONE point, but not both. I'd do it at the central point of the system and I think that's the inverter.
    – Brian Drummond
    Commented Nov 15, 2016 at 18:09
  • 1
    Where are you on this planet? Commented Nov 16, 2016 at 0:31
  • Scotland. Not actually too far from civilisation. Just that the previous owners of the house didn't want to fork out for a grid connection at the road, so went off-grid instead...
    – xirt
    Commented Jan 6, 2017 at 6:54

1 Answer 1


There should be no ground currents unless there is a fault condition. If ground and neutral are bonded at both ends then the main current will flow in all three conductors, if the neutral current is compared to the live wire current it will no longer be in balance and trip the protection.

You have an unenviable situation where you have two (perhaps 3 if you get grid connected) power utilities on site with the generator and the battery powered inverter. The responsibility of providing the neutral conductor at (close as possible to) ground potential rests with the supply utility (which is easy when there is only one).

You mention the 230V input on the inverter unit. Twice in relation to battery charging and one in relation to synchronising. These two do not work together often. If you have a battery charger input on the inverter unit then it does not need synchronising. If the 230V input is for hot switching between the inverter and the generator (or utility grid) it is not just for battery charging and is the sign of a complex or sophisticated controller.

There are likely standard connection guidelines for this controller that you should investigate, if you can locate an on-line installation manual this would help with getting answers.

Also as mentioned you should try and maintain a single ground point at your main distribution panel (unless you have a very large installation with possible isolation transformers where you have to re-establish the neutral ground reference after the isolation transformer).

The inverters 230V input neutral connection should NOT be tied directly to ground as it is not a supply neutral but it is possible that it is connected to the output neutral if it is intended for hot switching and not just battery charging. If this is the case you may be able to float the generator output (unlink the ground from neutral). You may have to remove the RCD on the generator if no other solution is found. I found an interesting document that discusses the safety of these options though based in Australia. There is also an Australian forum thread that covers and solves what is possibly exactly your problem.

Basically if your generator is only supplying your inverter/charger/controller it does not need the RCD which is used for protecting humans from earth faults. The RCD on the inverters output will provide this protection.

The on-line installation manual has a lot of meat in it. As predicted the unit is sophisticated and does support battery charging and hot switching. Specifically the main guide describes the functional parts of the wiring diagrams in section 17 Figure Elements AC Part and the appendix shows the wiring options. All of the wiring options (except the transformer isolated (label Y) one where it is required to re-establish the neutral reference) do not want the neutral connected to ground (label C) at the inverter/controller. The neutral line is illustrated as linked through (which is acceptable as it is also able to switch to operate in bypass mode) this means any neutral to earth (label C) link will be seen by the output of the generating set.

What is even more interesting is that the neutral can be programmatically connected to ground inside the inverter (label V or relay K4) but only with expert level parameter settings according to local codes and specific needs that would be rare.

It also mentions the key point "The neutral is earthed at a single point of the installation, downstream of the source and upstream of the protection device(s)" (with some extra details about multiple sources again) but it boils down to the fact that you cannot connect the neutral to earth AFTER (they say downstream) the RCD. The only time you would use the link at the inverter (label C) or the internal expert level relay (label V) would be if the inverter is the only source of supply and has to take charge of the neutral reference. The reason to link at the inverter programmatically would be if the neutral reference is supplied by a plug in generator or shore power and this reference is lost when unplugged.

Your generator RCD trips when the inverter has synchronised and connects the load to the generator, at this point the current shared by the neutral and ground is no longer zero and the unbalance occurs.

You can leave the generator RCD (label D) in place and the generator neutral to ground link (label E) but will need to make sure there are no other neutral to ground links in your system (label C and V). For peace of mind also document this so if the generator is disconnected (label K) a neutral to ground link must then be established at the inverter (label C).

As some highlander is rumoured to have said; "There can be only one"

  • The Inverter is a Studer XTH-6000, a fairly sophisticated inverter/charge controller. The inverter has a single input that can either be connected to a generator or the grid. When the generator is started, the display on the inverter says 'synchronising' before it transfers the load to the generator. I presume that is so that the disruption to the load is minimised during the transfer.
    – xirt
    Commented Nov 16, 2016 at 14:29
  • A pretty nice range of inverters. Incidentally both RCDs will still function as long as you have only the one neutral to ground connection. I am amazed that there are no clearer guidelines available.
    – KalleMP
    Commented Nov 17, 2016 at 22:25
  • If the inverter has synchronised and connects the load to the generator, how does this create a current? What causes the potential?
    – xirt
    Commented Nov 19, 2016 at 1:41
  • Would a programmatic solution work: Leave the internal Ground-Neutral connection (label K) closed, except when connected to the generator (and using its Ground-Neutral connection)? This way the Ground-Neutral connection is always upstream, and all the available protection devices are working. One would have to ensure that always a Ground-Neutral source is connected to the input (or the software can detect that, before opening K).
    – xirt
    Commented Nov 19, 2016 at 1:45
  • 1
    We removed the Live-Neutral at the inverter (switchable) and shut down the load a second inverter (tied to the same neutral) and it is now working correctly using the generator's live-neutral connection.
    – xirt
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 0:19

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service and acknowledge you have read our privacy policy.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.