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I have a circuit for the kitchen lights w/two 3-way switches.

I also have a circuit for the adjoining room w/three 4-way switches.

Is there any way to safely join the two circuits and just use perhaps three 4-way switches that control all the lights without a big overhaul of the wiring?

Both circuits I believe are on their own 20amp breakers.

All lights are being replaced with low wattage LEDs if that makes any difference.

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There are too many unknowns here for us to help you out. We don't know which switches you intend to use afterwards (locations), what access you have to joining the circuits together, or what the possibilities of joining them would be without knowing of your personal setup.

Your setup, roughly as described to us is...

<--- S --- S --- Kitchen Lights

<--- S --- S --- S --- Adjoining Room Lights

The arrows (<---) would be your final wire running back to the source. The (S)s are your switches. And the (---) are wires between each. Now, this doesn't have to be physically wired in this setup nor does it have to be the only load on the circuit (no outlets or anything else?), but it would be how things are internally wired to control the lights. So no matter where the power actually comes in or where the switches are located in relation to the lights, this will be how the connections are made.

Then, if there is nothing else being fed from the kitchen circuit and you're intending to use only the 'adjoining room switches', you could simply disconnect and remove the breaker, wiring, and switches feeding the kitchen lights. Find the first light in the kitchen in sequence that receives power from the switch and add a wire between it and the power feeding the 'adjoining room' lights. The easiest way would be if you can get above the lighting, such as up in your attic, but where ever is accessible will work. Reconnect the hots, neutrals, and grounds and you should not be able to control all of the lights from those three switches. Your new layout would look like...

<--- S --- S --- S --- Adjoining Room Lights --- Kitchen Lights

However, again, this goes off of the assumption that you're fine with controlling them all from just the adjoining room location. If you're hoping to split the switches up between the kitchen and that room; then it'll all come down to how everything is currently wired, which switches you want to use and which to remove, and what wires are ran between each and from where. To get a complete answer, we would need a lot of information. However, a licensed electrician would be able to figure this all out on his own and get the job done for you.


Lastly, as I've had to mention recently in another post, four way switches are only used between two three way switches. You might have a four way switch setup in the adjoining room, but that does not mean that all three switches are four ways - two are three ways and only one would be a four way.

  • Sorry for the lack of detail but thank you so much for the information - the walls and ceiling are completely opened up and indeed there are ONLY the kitchen lights and the adjoining room's lights on each circuit. <--- S --- S --- S --- Adjoining Room Lights --- Kitchen Lights Is exactly what I had envisioned and I would end up moving one of the switches from it's original location. Time to get out the multi tester and get some more information on the circuit.. – Ryan Thompson Feb 9 '16 at 14:43
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    Considering the walls are all opened, then you'd definitely want to follow along with that layout. Remove the switches that aren't intended to be kept, remove the kitchen circuit from the panel, and connect the kitchen lights directly to the 'adjoining room' lights. Of course the layout of the wiring could vary as to what's existing and such, but with the walls open - it shouldn't take much effort to follow the wires. – TFK Feb 9 '16 at 20:05
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As TFK mentioned, this is likely not going to be an easy task. It will surely require installing new wiring, and modifying the existing wiring. However, you have not provided anywhere near the detail required, for somebody on the other side of the internet to tell you how to do it. If you're not experienced with electrical work, you're likely going to have to hire an electrician.

The other option, would be to install wireless switches. I don't have any experience with them, so I can't comment on how to install them. I just know that they exist, and might be an option for you.

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