4

I'm in the process of moving 240V outlet. The outlet has three wires connected.

See the image: outlet with 3 wires and ground missing

In the junction box I can see the ground coming out of the outlet. See the image: enter image description here

So where is the ground wire inside the outlet? I'd like to know how this is handled. Update: for some reason I didn't notice ground attached to the neutral. But it is there

enter image description here

Then I noticed a orange label and found the instruction:

enter image description here

So I wired the stove cord according to the code:

enter image description here

Measured all the connections with the voltmeter and all is now set up correctly. Thanks to everyone!

Improve this question
2
  • The grounding conductor may be clipped short, or attached outside of the enclosure. More concerning, is the gash in the insulation on the grounded (neutral) conductor (white wire). – Tester101 Oct 6 '15 at 13:24
  • so it is safe to just clip it short? I'm replacing the outlet and the wire so there won't be the gash in the insulation. – Grasper Oct 6 '15 at 13:44
4

That outlet looks like a NEMA 10-20 or 10-50 and is an ungrounded outlet. There are two 120V hot lines and one neutral.

This is an old outlet type and is no longer permitted in new installations.

Improve this answer
10
  • well, how come I was able to buy the new NEMA 10-50 and it has the same design? I got this one homedepot.com/p/… – Grasper Oct 6 '15 at 13:42
  • If you were just replacing an existing outlet, say because it cracked, then it would be allowed. Also, stores can sell whatever they want, it's up to the installer to ensure it is allowed in the specific application. What might be allowed in residential isn't allowed in commercial, etc. – Steven Oct 6 '15 at 13:47
  • 1
    @Grasper just because you can buy it doesn't mean its permitted. Home improvement stores sell lots of crap that doesn't meet current building codes. – Grant Oct 6 '15 at 13:48
  • 1
    Yes the solution is to replace the whip from the oven to use a 4 wire cable. – Steven Oct 6 '15 at 13:57
  • 1
    Also consider your insurance policy for your house. If there's a fire, and they find out that you did something against code, they won't pay. – Steven Oct 6 '15 at 13:59
3

NEMA 10-50 devices are ungrounded devices. They were commonly used before grounding systems were installed, and are no longer allowed by code in new installation.

Whoever installed this one, probably should have installed a grounded device instead. However, since they went with the ungrounded device, they likely cut off the grounding conductor from the cable.

If you're replacing this receptacle, you should install a new 4 wire cable, and new NEMA 14-50 device. This will also require you to install a new NEMA 14-50 cord on the stove. Follow the manufacturer's documentation for the stove when replacing the cord, as it may require swapping around a bonding conductor in the stove.

Improve this answer
6
  • so I did everything according to the code only one thing got me thinking. My old oven has only 3 connectors, black, red and white. My new 4 prong cord has 4. So I connected neutral(white) and ground(green) under one screw. I found this solution on YT. The oven doesn't have any ground screw attachment. Is this ok? – Grasper Oct 7 '15 at 12:58
  • 1
    NO! That is not okay. Look up the manufacturer's documentation for the oven, or contact the manufacturer directly. There should be instructions on how to connect a grounding conductor to the oven. – Tester101 Oct 7 '15 at 14:26
  • What is the make and model of the oven? – Tester101 Oct 7 '15 at 14:26
  • it is kenmore 362 92212300 – Grasper Oct 7 '15 at 14:59
  • I updated my question with the proper result. Thanks for directions. – Grasper Oct 12 '15 at 14:35

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.