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Santa Cruz County, CA, USA

I'm in the process of building an outdoor office in my back yard (mainly as a "man cave" and quiet place to work from home).

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The picture makes it look large but it's actually just a 10 x 12 shed.

Core construction is complete and now I'd like to run electrical out to it (two circuits so I can have an air conditioner or heater if needed). I've had several electricians come out to provide bids but there seems to be a difference of opinion on how to proceed.

One bid essentially involves installing two 20-amp 120/v circuits. The other bid involves installing a 30 amp 220V line from main panel to office sub panel.

All of the electricians are fully licensed and bonded with the state and assure me that the work would be to code.... So I'm confused on why there's such a difference in perspective/work. Obviously the bid with the sub-panel work is more expensive.

So my question is this: Generally speaking, when is it necessary to install a sub-panel for providing electricity to an external shed? Is there any safe/legitimate reason why some electricians might not think a sub-panel is necessary?

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As far as I understand it, since the 2002 version of National Electrical Code, only a single branch circuit or feeder is allowed to supply a building (225.30). Though it's possible that your local Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ) allows it under one of the exceptions, or there are local amendments.

There's also the consideration that the NEC requires a disconnect at the building (225.31), so installing a panel may make more sense.

It's possible that the Electrician is going to install a single 20 ampere multi-wire branch circuit, which would be allowed under 225.30. Though he's still going to have to install a disconnect at the building.


To answer your question. The first reason to install a second panel, is to allow for future expansion. Though this doesn't seem to be important in your situation.

The second reason is simplicity. You can only have one branch circuit or feeder, and you need a disconnect. It just may be easier to install the second panel.

  • Without actually seeing the bid, or talking to the Electricians. It sounds to me like the only real difference, is that one is installing a 20 ampere circuit, while the other is installing a 30 ampere circuit. So the price difference should only be for the cost difference of the different size wire, and breakers. – Tester101 Jul 9 '15 at 12:37
  • +1 for the simplicity and future expansion comments. It's simply a good idea either way. – mjohns Jul 9 '15 at 12:58
  • I believe from the original question he was describing pulling a 20A circuit (or two) directly from the main breaker panel (with or without a disconnect-- this was not specified) vs pulling a 30A feeder to a sub panel to then be broken into multiple circuits. The cost difference would then include parts & labor for installing a sub panel. – mjohns Jul 9 '15 at 13:01
  • @mjohns in both installations a disconnect is required at the building, so there would only be a difference between the cost of a disconnect and the cost of the panel. I haven't priced either recently, but I'd imagine there's not a tremendous difference. – Tester101 Jul 9 '15 at 13:25
  • I was simply trying to elaborate based on the information provided. I do not disagree with what you are saying, but I do believe the parts & labor to add a sub panel vs a simple disconnect might stack up depending on the differences in the two electricians' proposals. But I guess you already hinted at that... Maybe I should have left it for the OP to provide more information :) – mjohns Jul 9 '15 at 13:35
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I'd just install a small sub panel. What if you end up wanting another circuit for a fridge, or a ridiculous home entertainment system, or computer or music equipment, a small instant-on water heater, a handy outdoor outlet or two for electric yard tools or something else in the man cave?

But my biggest excuse for suggesting the subpanel is that, as @Tester101 said, you need a disconnect anyway, and there's probably almost no price difference between a small load center and a disconnect box.

Here's an example of a 100A (overkill) Square D load center for $20: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-Homeline-100-Amp-6-Space-12-Circuit-Indoor-Surface-Mount-Main-Lug-Load-Center-with-Cover-HOM612L100SCP/100190554

Here's a 2 pole, 240V disconnect for $6. You'd need the two-pole disconnect if the electrician ran a multiwire branch circuit (two 20A circuits with a shared neutral) to the outbuilding: http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-60-Amp-240-Volt-Non-Fuse-Metallic-AC-Disconnect-TFN60RCP/100674085

So in terms of materials, that's a difference of $14 plus the cost of a 30A to 60A two-pole main breaker or two for the subpanel (about $8 each) in the outbuilding and maybe a little extra for bigger wire just to future-proof. You need to buy the breakers for the branch circuits inside the outbuilding either way.

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