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I have a 1963 house in Texas with Square D breakers and mostly duplex plugs. All metal outlet boxes. However, there are 8 romex style cables (12-2 with ground) tied to the breakers in the service panel. The ground wires have green insulation and I think there are 8 plugs that have the ground attached to the metal outlet box. Many more outlet plugs are duplex and no grounding (even tested it). I see no conduit or metal cable sheathing anywhere. Is it true I can either 1. replace all breakers with GFI's and then change all plugs to grounded outlets? or 2. Replace just the first outlet coming from the service panel for each circuit with a GFI outlet and then change the rest of the plugs to grounded outlets? Not much chance to run just a ground wire to each receptacle. Really want to modernize and end up with legal protected outlets for 110 circuits.

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  • I always vote for the gfi in the breaker, the inside of a square d breaker is far above the inside gfi outlet. GFIs also like to be left alone in the dark, they work and play well with others in the load center. Should you ever trip a gfi - they are all right in 1 panel, not scattered about. – Some Guy Mar 28 '15 at 6:00
  • I would caution against replacing every breaker with a GFI. If you put a GFI breaker on the circuit with your refrigerator, for example, your food will probably all be spoiled before you realize there's a problem. See diy.stackexchange.com/questions/9341/… for more details. – Gabe Mar 29 '15 at 5:31
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Yes, you can protect those outlets with a single GFCI per circuit and put three-prong outlets in the boxes. There will still be no ground wire and no actual grounding in those outlets.

(You cannot connect the ground terminal to the neutral; this is a code violation, and dangerous since it puts current on the ground wire, specifically causing the ground wire to act as a live conductor if there's a fault in the neutral, and will energize the screws on your face plates, energize the housings of grounded power tools and grounded appliances like toasters, etc.)

Technically, all un-grounded outlets that are protected with GFCI are supposed to be labeled "GFCI Protected/No Equipment Ground" (GFCI outlets will usually come with a little sheet of adhesive labels in the box for this purpose).

I agree generally with the comment about using GFCI breakers, although you certainly can replace the first outlet on a circuit with GFCI and protect everything "downstream" by connecting the downstream part of the circuit to the LOAD terminals on the GFCI.

Square D 20A GFCI breakers cost about $35 each. GFCI receptacles probably cost half that.

GFCI and grounding are two different concepts. GFCI's will protect people against electrocution, but they do not provide grounding, so they don't provide any protection to equipment that really requires grounding.

For some appliances this probably isn't an issue as the GFCI will provide protection against electrocution and there aren't other noticeable effects that matter to you.

For more sensitive electronics, like computers, TV's, radio and sound systems, running without a grounding conductor can subject your equipment to irritating (at best) effects like ground loop interference (which might sound like a background hum through speakers, for instance) and may or may not cause problems or damage to the equipment itself or even danger to your structure. If you have satellite equipment, there are explicit code requirements for grounding. Also, connecting surge protectors to a circuit without a ground probably won't allow the surge protector to be fully effective.

Inside the GFCI there are identical little inductive coils around the hot and the neutral conductors, and the GFCI circuitry trips if it detects any imbalance in the current between the hot and neutral. The neutral carries the same amount of current as the "hot" in a circuit with a load on it. If the neutral is not carrying the same amount of current, that means current is leaking to ground (a ground fault) through some other path, which might be a person. But the GFCI doesn't have anything to do with grounding the circuit.

  • Thanks for the info. I mis-spoke about using the word grounded. I realize no ground wire at the plug means it's not grounded and won't ever be. Meant to say "protected" and I just don't want an inspector down the road to balk. So I'm buying all new GFCI breakers for the 110v circuits. – Steve Apr 2 '15 at 4:20

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