I have 7 85-watt lights (a total of 595 watts) that I want to control using a 600-watt dimmer switch.
Is that too close to be safe? What if I remove one of the lights?
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2Keep in mind that if you use LED lamps you'll use much less power. – Hot Licks Jan 6 '15 at 3:09
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This depends on the manufacturer's statements. Typically switch devices are rated for their expected normal device load. Wiring heat loss, etc. should be negligible enough to ignore.
Here's what one manufacturer said on their website:
Electronic low-voltage transformers also dissipate some heat. These inefficiencies are small enough to be accounted for in the dimmer rating. A Lutron ELV dimmer UL listed for 600 W can be loaded with a full 600 W lamp load. If ganged with other dimmers, standard derating rules apply.
If you have a separate transformer from the lights, however, (such as a magnetic transformer as opposed to a number of CFL light bulbs) then you need to consider the load of the transformer too.
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Low-voltage dimmers are typically rated at 150 or 300W. This is a 600W dimmer, a typical line-voltage rating. What makes you assume this is a low-voltage application? – Speedy Petey Jan 6 '15 at 12:05
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It might work with all the fins in place, but it will likely melt a plastic wall plate. – sborsher Jan 7 '15 at 17:29
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Personally I always go up a size in dimmer if I am that close to the limit. If it is ganged with other dimmers then derating forces you to.
Will it work, absolutely.
Will it fail sooner at that high of a load, most likely.
Will it get very hot, definitely.
Will it be dangerous, no, not really.
answered Jan 5 '15 at 21:49
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Although you'll probably get away with it, it's not a good idea. The 85W lamp rating is probably worse than 10% accurate, so you could easily go over the 600W. I advise you to remove one light or get a more powerful dimmer.
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There are several factors at work here, all of which make 600 watts of incandescent lighting require a 1000+ watt dimmer:
- Most dimmers people choose (initially) are as cheaply made as possible. It might handle the rated load, but not for long. Since it is a dimmer, there is a probability that it will not be set to 100% all the time. An 80% (of fully on) dim setting will make the switch (and lights) last much longer than 100%
- When first turned on, incandescent lights have a high "inrush current" which is 2 to 10 times more than their fully heated current. This alone is probably why most dimmers don't last a year.
- If the dimmer is not engineered to force soft starting (as was typical of all 1970s dimmers), many (if not most) users operate the switch such as to start at the 100% setting. This maximizes the wear rate on the electronics from the starting inrush current.
Have you considered splitting up the lights? Dividing them into two or three circuits, perhaps geographically, to allow use of cheap dimmers and also provide more lighting control.
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If a dimmer switch is rated for 600 watts it will handle 600 watts. Most would actually handle well over 600 watts but would (supposedly) fail quicker. I don't see the concern at all. Your worry should be in the product not you failing to follow the directions. If this doesn't ease your mind you will need to call the manufacturer. [Although I can't see any manufacturer admitting that there 600 watt dimmer is rated for 500 watts]
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1I don't think it's at all accurate to say a 600 watt dimmer will handle "well over 600 watts". – Speedy Petey Jan 5 '15 at 21:50
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1Reputable manufacturers will always have good safety margin on specifications. So if the dimmer switch is from a good brand it will probably handle it. – Mobius Pizza Jan 6 '15 at 11:52
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In my experience with SCRs or TRIACs (The "chip" dimmers usually use), the wattage rating is under "perfect" conditions (i.e. the area where the device is mounted says at "room temperature"). Now hopefully because they are in a commercial device they have been de-rated appropriately, but I have seen more than a few devices where the chip spec's were copied to the device spec without appropriate de-rating.
TL;DR, I personally would go with a 1000 Watt dimmer, but a 600 should work.
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Short answer is if it's rated at 600w incandescent load and you have a 600w incandescent load and it was installed properly you're good.
Longer answer, the warmer any electronic device runs, the shorter it's life. btw i it's next to or between another dimmer in a ganged box it's probably now rated for 500 or 400 watts it should be marked.
Depending on how it was made (and when it was made) it'll either get hotter when it's turned all the way up or when it's dimmed. They are not all the same in this respect.
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I agree the 600 Watt is not big enough, We need a 20% buffer for continuous loads in any circuit, for example 48 va transformer with 24 volt secondary is "good" for 2 amps, however that is with zero cushion, in reality a 24 volt transformer at 48 va may sakely handle only 1.6 amps.
