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I had a toilet that stank, pulled it to figure out what was going on. Looks like the flange had been broken in the past and repaired, subfloor all around the flange was rotten. Tried getting the old flange out, but I think it was installed with primer. Cut out the rotten sub floor, can now see that the flange went directly into what I think is called a sanitary tee.

I can't seem to get the old flange out (already cracked part of the tee it attaches too) so now aren't sure what to do. A bunch of google results tell me you're not even supposed to use a sanitary tee horizontally like this.

What is the best approach here? Somehow try to get the remainder of the flange out of the tee then put a new one in? Cut out that tee and put something else in? One issue is that 'upstream' (I think to vent?) of the tee there isn't a lot of room to couple new pipe there.

Here's the (broken) tee with the partially removed flange

Here's the (broken) tee with the partially removed flange

side view of the Tee

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Upstream view:

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Downstream view

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  • Sure, it should be a Wye and a sweep elbow, with the toilet to one side of the line, not on top of it. Have you got room to move the toilet over? If not, it looks like a mighty tight fit to try and put a wye in with the straight part leading to a sweep with the toilet on it and a bunch of fittings coming off the sidearm somehow connecting to the vent stack behind. I suppose you might try tracking down anyone responsible for thing thing passing a plumbing inspection and sue them into next week. It might be time to call in a plumber for additional experience and specialized tools. – Ecnerwal Dec 3 '14 at 1:11
  • Not sure I'd have any recourse... I'm the 2nd owner of the home, built 15 years ago. Guess I'll call a plumber and see what they say. Hope I don't get the same guy that put it in there. – Adam Dec 3 '14 at 2:03
  • Couple of updates - looking at NY plumbing code, if I'm reading it correctly the 2008 code listed it as ok to use a sanitary tee on it's back if you're going from 3" to 4" like it was here. The 2012 code no longer lists this as acceptable. So, I think it was ok when it went in. Also, upstream from this pipe isn't just the vent, it also drains from the sink in teh bathroom. Not sure that changes much. Tried removing the flange remains with an inside pipe cutter, no dice, that thing is not coming out. I'm going to have to cut somewhere and replace this whole section. – Adam Dec 5 '14 at 15:14
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I would recommend replacing all of the affected pipe. The PVC already looks pretty roughed up, and you don't want to invite more problems in by using a rubber gasket fix!

  1. Start by making sure no one is going to flush any toilets, use any sinks, or run any water. Otherwise, things might get messy.

  2. Measure the distance between the 22.5° pipe and the T joint.

  3. Cut the upstream pipe between your T joint and the 22.5° joint. Leave about 1/2 inch of pipe before the 22.5° pipe, and make sure to be careful for the copper pipe running under you!

    Cut Me!

  4. Now cut your pipe downstream and remove the cut section! Try to make the cut as perfect as you can. If the cut is too cattywompus, you won't get a good seal later and things will get messy. Once you are done, sand the edges so you don't have any rough spots, and then stuff some rags and bags in the hole to keep it from gassing you out.

    Cut Here Too

  5. Get some gloves and paper towels. You will need to clean the outside of the downstream pipe. Clean back about 6 inches. The reason for this is because we are going to put a fresh coupler on it later and need it to be clean, so that it can get a good water tight seal. While you have the cleaning supplies out, you can clean up the subfloor a bit as well :-)

  6. If you have one of those handy dandy pipe driller contraptions that @BMitch talked about, use that to gently drill the upstream pipe that we first cut out of the 22.5° coupler. Image shamelessly stolen. (Thanks @BMitch!)

    Stolen from BMitch

    If you don't have one of those, then you can use a dremel to cut the pipe inside the joint (but not the joint!) and then snap it out. I drew a few pictures showing what I mean...

    Diagram 1

    When you dremel out the pipe, be careful! We don't want to damage the 22.5° joint! Diagram 2

    After you are done dremeling, you should have little tabs remaining that you can break off. Then clean out the inside of the joint with some towels and you are ready for step 7! Break Off

  7. Remember the distance I had you measure in step 2? Get a 4" PVC pipe and cut it to that length, PLUS the amount it will need to fit inside the 22.5° bend AND the end of the T joint. Cement the newly cut pipe into the T joint using purple primer and then PVC Cement.

  8. Cut another segment of 4" PVC Pipe. This should butt up to the cut we made on our downstream pipe (with a 1/4" gap). Cement this section to the bottom of your T joint (towards sewer).

    I have drawn a picture of what steps 7 and 8 should look like. The 4" PVC pipe you are cutting is shown in red. Please check the measurements, mine are just guesses! Notice how there is a 1/4" gap between the sewer line and the pipe we just cut. Get that gap as close to 1/4in as you can! Steps 7 and 8

  9. Once you have gotten this far, you need a 4" PVC Repair coupler. A normal coupler has a "Stop" half way through it, to make sure that the pipes are in the correct distance. Coupler

    However, a repair coupler does not have a stop in it. Here is where things get tricky...

  10. Get your PVC Coupler, and slide it up several inches so that it is near the bottom of the T joint. See picture. After you slide the coupler on, prime all your pipe ends, as well as the downstream pipe and the upstream joint.

    Step 9

  11. Next, put PVC Cement on all your primed areas. So that would be in your 22.5° joint, on both of the red ends of the pipe in the previous photo, and on the downstream pipe end.

  12. Twist and slide the top of your pipe into the upstream segment of pipe so that it is attached there. Then quickly slide and twist your coupler piece down so that it neatly joins the end of your pipe with the downstream pipe. See pictures:

    Part 1

    Part 2

  13. All done!

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They make pvc pipe-removal drill bits. There's a guide on the front that goes inside the existing pipe, and cutting wheels that remove the inner pipe without affecting the outer pipe.

pipe-removal bit

sample image from plumbingsupply.com, no affiliation

There are also specialized tools, called a pipe debonder, that heat the pvc until the glue starts to release, and you may be able to achieve a similar result with a heat gun.

However, since you have chipped the side of the sanitary tee, I'd pull it and replace it with a Wye if you have the space. If you happen to have a lot of play in the pipes, you may be able to cut out the old and fit in the replacement. Otherwise, you may be stuck with JimK's advice to use a rubber coupling. Disclaimer, I don't know the code on the rubber couplings, so check if that's permitted in your area.

  • Doesn't seem to be any room to put a wye with a 90 bend (or one of those combination ones). Have a heat gun, will give that a shot. – Adam Dec 5 '14 at 16:47
  • +1 on the pipe removal drill bit, that way the part can be replaced exactly with the same part. Just make sure it is glued really well, the chip on the hub is a concern. – Jack Dec 8 '14 at 16:08
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In situations like this, since part of the tee is broken, I would recommend using a rubber coupling with hose clamps to attach a new flange to the existing tee. Size the coupling in the store with a new flange and tee to make sure it is the correct fit.

It is important to clean up the broken flange in the tee before installing a new flange. I've had good luck using a hacksaw blade to make several cuts in the end of the pipe glued into the tee then pry out the chunks with a screwdriver. If that won't work for you, use a file to taper the inside edge of the old broken pipe to enable all paper to pass through without clogging.

  • rubber coupling as opposed to somehow removing this tee and putting a new one in? What about the Tee being horizontal? Seems like a no no everywhere I read, but I'm not sure anything else will actually fit here – Adam Dec 2 '14 at 19:19

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