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I’m trying to replace 2 ceiling roses in my upstairs 2 bedrooms. It’s the first time I’ve done this and I’ve tried watching a few YouTube videos but am struggling to get my head around it, mainly for two reasons. Any advice would be really appreciated.

Firstly, there are no metal brackets already installed on my ceiling. I took the existing ceiling roses down and they looked really ramshackle, just balled up cable under the caps which was hooked onto the ceiling. The new ceiling roses I’ve bought have that standard plastic plate inside the cap, but since I’ve now realised there’s no brackets on my ceiling to attach it to, I’m a bit stuck. Is it safe for me to just drill the plastic plate into the ceiling, or do I need to buy brackets?

Secondly, the wiring looks different from one room to the next so I’m unsure how to wire them safely. I’ll add some photos to show what I mean. Any instructions/guidance on how to wire these to the new fittings safely would be really appreciated.

Sorry for the total novice post, I’m trying to get better at DIY but as soon as I took down the old ceiling roses I realised I was really out of my depth. Thanks in advance!

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  • Might help to google ceiling light circuits for your country(UK?). Circuits usually have more than a single light on them. Power going to other stuff, wires from switch/s, so seldom do two circuits look the same.
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  • It always helps to take pictures before undoing wire connections. Most times the wires go back the same way as before(if done right before).
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Mechanically speaking, there is probably a timber joist somewhere near the hole. It's better to screw any fitting into that, rather than have it hang from the plasterboard alone which is not able to take much weight (it's just plaster dust held between paper). Tap the ceiling and note the spots where it sounds hollow (the space between joists) and those where it's dull (near the joists). You could also try drilling small pilot holes (eg 3mm) and see if the drill hits wood, or if it goes straight through the thin plasterboard.

Electrically, the usual UK fitting is a ceiling rose, probably a looped ceiling rose. Here with post-2006 and pre-2006 colours respectively (you may have a mix):

looped ceiling roselooped ceiling rose old colours

You have one cable coming in from the supply or previous fitting, one going to the next fitting, and one going to the switch. If you're at the end of a run there's no next fitting and so only two cables. The switch cable is hopefully marked with some sleeving to indicate the switched live which has the wire colour of the neutral (blue in the post-2006 colours, black in pre-2006) but is actually live (brown or red sleeving).

Hopefully that should be enough info to put things back together.

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