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The builders of my 15-yr-old home used this screw to affix my subfloor to the metal joists. I'm putting in new floors and tightening some of the plywood that has loosened over the years. I'm also adding screws to a few sections where they only used nails. I want to use what they used but none of the hardware / construction suppliers here on Oahu has ever seen this screw or can explain why it's smooth on the bottom third. Any idea what this is, why it is designed this way?

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    Reminds me of self drilling sheet metal screws. I could see implementing the same pattern for fastening hardwood to get a large diameter without predrilling and without splitting.
    – popham
    Commented Oct 19, 2023 at 5:37
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    Why are you so hungry to use the same screws?
    – popham
    Commented Oct 19, 2023 at 5:54
  • I've removed the "where can I buy it" part of the question because that's explicitly off-topic.
    – FreeMan
    Commented Oct 19, 2023 at 11:25
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    Yes, unless you have steel truss joists these aren't the right screws anyway. It may have been a "let's use these up" situation, which is why you have subfloor coming loose--they don't have enough thread to hold in wood joists.
    – isherwood
    Commented Oct 19, 2023 at 15:51
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    I should've mentioned in the OP that my home is steel framed and my subfloors are attached to steel joists. I've added that to the OP. Thanks.
    – chuquy
    Commented Oct 19, 2023 at 18:48

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Looks like a self drilling wood to metal screw. Here's a picture from McMaster-Carr's website:

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They call them "Stainless Steel Drilling Screw, Wood to Metal," described as

Screws with cutting wings drill a slightly larger hole in the wood to allow for expansion. The wings break off when they contact metal, so the screw can tap the remainder of the hole.

The reason for the long unthreaded drilling tip, I assume, is to allow the drill tip to cut through an underlying metal layer without lifting the wood surface away from the metal layer. The drilling tip takes a bit of time to cut metal, so a fully threaded fastener would lift the wood all the way up to the screw head while the drilling tip worked to penetrate the lower layer of metal. Your fastener has a long unthreaded part to avoid this situation, whereas this more modern fastener has "wings" to overbore the wood and thereby accomplish the same goal with less material.

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  • Requests for clarification (the last sentence) should be in comments on the original question. Make a statement out of that. ;) +1 anyway
    – FreeMan
    Commented Oct 19, 2023 at 11:29
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    Thanks to all and especially popham. Your explanation for the long unthreaded portion makes sense. I live in a development that was advertised at the time as a community of "hurricane and termite proof" steel framed homes. All our homes' subfloors are fastened with these screws. I was able to find screws locally that are fully threaded, but if my intent is to strengthen the subfloor's bond to the metal joists, will using the fully threaded screws do the opposite (ie. cause the wood to pull up while the tip pierces the metal as you described)? Better to order the unthreaded tips?
    – chuquy
    Commented Oct 19, 2023 at 18:44
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    If the wings "overbore" the wood, does that weaken the threads' grip to the wood?
    – chuquy
    Commented Oct 19, 2023 at 18:56
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    @chuquy, I don't think that thread engagement with the wood layer contributes significant strength. The threads should have a strong grip on the underlying metal to close the joint. The closed joint minimizes bending stresses in the fastener.
    – popham
    Commented Oct 19, 2023 at 19:08
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    @chuquy The threads don't need to grip the wood - that is what the head is for. The threads are there to grip the metal beyond the wood.
    – MikeB
    Commented Oct 20, 2023 at 15:08

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