I have had problems with a fence on one side of my garden because of wind in Montreal. The posts end up leaning away after a few years. Part of the problem might be how the posts were put in (perhaps not deep enough), but the wind is a big factor.

EDIT: Current fence design is 2m high with posts roughly every 15 feet, similar to the image below: privacy fence image

I'm wondering if a board-on-board fence design (aka shadow board or shadow box fence) will help much. It seems that there's more wood involved in this design, and so it will cost more. I'm not sure how much it reduces the wind load, and I'm trying to get an idea of the cost/benefit of the design.

Here's an image to give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

shadow box or board-on-board design of fence

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    What is your current fence style, that you're comparing the shadow board to?
    – Hank
    Commented May 10, 2013 at 15:03
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    Funny how most construction in Montreal seems to fail so quickly :P
    – Steven
    Commented May 10, 2013 at 15:10
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    Building a fence in Montreal can be tricky. First you have to get permission from the Mob, then you need to bribe a public official. Commented May 10, 2013 at 15:31
  • @HenryJackson See the edit to the question Commented May 10, 2013 at 20:52
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    15 feet is a pretty long post spacing. My privacy fence has posts at 8 ft intervals.
    – Doresoom
    Commented May 10, 2013 at 20:56

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This is an interesting read:


(Note: In the 10 years since this answer was published, the link, while still going to an answer, is now spammy and chat-botty.)

The engineer says that there is no reduction in surface area, and the gap between boards isn't significant enough to significantly alter the air flow. He also says that in reality, there may be a minor reduction in the wind loading, but not enough to make it worthwhile.

You may want to consider a Louvred fence (angle board fence). However, these do not provide much privacy in the one direction, so you will want to angle the boards away from any nude sunbathing areas.

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  • +1 for louvered and the structural engineer answer is what I was looking for Commented May 10, 2013 at 20:57
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    I like the answer, but the linked website is super spammy, and basically says nothing. I'm going to go dip my PC in bleach now...
    – T.E.D.
    Commented Oct 15, 2023 at 0:45
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    @T.E.D. You're right. The site has changed in 10 years. Commented Oct 16, 2023 at 13:29

I am posting this response several years after the fact since the information contained above did not match my personal experience. I live in the foothills of Denver, CO where we routinely see high winds and where shadowbox fencing is preferred for its apparent wind shedding characteristics. I am also a mechanical engineer and in need of a new fence after ours was blown over (a double sided solid picket fence) and while I had not previously investigated the issue, I thought an experiment and some calculation might be in order.

While surface area is an important scaling factor in fence design there is another factor that is being ignored here witch is the Coefficient of Drag, which scales 1:1 the same way surface area does. Drag Coefficients are typically numbers between 0 and 1 for structures, so if a structure has a drag coefficient of .5 it will have half the force applied for a given wind speed when compared to a structure with a drag coefficient of 1.0.

I mocked up both a solid picket fence as well as a shadowbox fence with Popsicle sticks and bass wood for the stringers. They were attached to a 3d printed test stand via rubber bands (see image) Each was constructed with the same surface area and subjected each to "wind blasts" from the exhaust of my shop vac.

Each fence section was alternated in the test jig and tested 5 times for a total of ten tests. The deflection of the fence section due to the wind was measured with a .25mm scale at both the top and the bottom of the fence section during each test.

The results were consistent from test to test with the shadowbox fence demonstrating less than half the total deflection of the double sided picket fence.

Given that the surface area, air velocity and air density were the same for each test, and that the alternating of samples from one test to the next would eliminate any variability of the jig/test setup. I am fairly confident that the shadowbox fencing has better resistance to wind loading.

Jig With Fence Section

Both Fence Sections

  • I don't suppose you also checked for a louvred fence, like in Cudmore's answer? Just eyeballing it, I'd worry that wind at juuuust the right angle could actually hit a louvred fence harder than if the pickets were flat.
    – T.E.D.
    Commented Oct 13, 2023 at 19:14
  • @T.E.D. Possibly, but the axis of loading would be off by 45 degrees, making the horizontal load (the knock down force) 70% (cos 45) of a broadside on a flat fence. Commented Oct 16, 2023 at 13:50
  • @ChrisCudmore - Yeah, I'm thinking for example if you used a horizontal fence, the wind would have to be coming down towards the ground at a 45 degree angle (and from the correct direction, not from 1 of 2 directions), for it to have the same force. That's me spitballing though. I've been wrong before.
    – T.E.D.
    Commented Oct 16, 2023 at 14:43

I don't see how this would reduce the wind load on the posts. In fact, it might increase it a little since the surface area of the fence is greater.

If the wind force is too great for your posts, you only have 2 options:

  • More posts
  • Stronger posts.
  • +1 I'm not sure I agree with your "more surface area" logic, but more/stronger posts makes total sense. Commented May 10, 2013 at 20:59
  • In my mind I was thinking of the original fence as a picket fence with gaps, and you were going to add the extra boards to make it a shadow-style. But now I realize that the question didn't originally say what type of fence was there now. (I see you've edited the question.)
    – Hank
    Commented May 10, 2013 at 22:43

For sure the new design will help. Basic physics. More force will pass through instead of beating against the wood. Also force (wind) will naturally take the path of least resistance. You have a giant fence with no gaps now. So anything you move to will be better.

Will it be a lot better and help. Maybe, maybe not. Looking at the new design this would help overall but see the best returns for angular wind. If the wind is going straight at it, there are still no straight line gaps. There is no way without trial and error that you will be able to tell if this works ahead of time - unless you have fence wind tunnel data at your hands.

It looks like you want total privacy or close to it. I would move to the new design and pop a support post in between your existing posts - they don't even need to pop over.

  • +1 for support post idea, although I think I'll have it redone with more posts overall Commented May 10, 2013 at 21:08

I build wood fences and gates in South Florida. Shadow box fences here have posts a minimum of 24in in the ground on center every four feet. I do not have this physics involved in comparison when wind load is the subject. But it stands to reason that if wind can penetrate through the shadow box Style fence as opposed to a more solid surfaced area like board on board or privacy styled fences the wind resistance must be less (meaning the shadowbox design is preferable in high wind situations). It is almost certainly why 90% of the wood fences in South Florida are shadow box.

Tbe attached picture is of a 20 foot long wood rolling gate being installed in Key Largo, Florida. I halted Construction on this gate to provide the client with the opportunity to change their design request for a board on board style (that would match the fences on either side of it) for a shadow box style for this very reaso - to reduce stress from wind not just in the event of a hurricane but for everyday coastal breezes as well.


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