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We had an outdoor tap (faucet) fitted in the summer last year here in Edinburgh UK. The temperature here often dips to just below freezing over the winter. Outside, at least. The plumber suggested we should turn off the water under the kitchen sink (a screwdriver turnable valve), but also leave the tap/faucet fully open on the outside wall. That last to allow cooling water to expand up and out as it is freezing - hopefully slowly. That's exactly what we did.

Anyway, Today (March 21st), I closed up the outside tap, and under the kitchen sink opened up the wee valve. Guess what? .. super spraying burst pipe outside!! There's a copper pipe rising to the tap, from foot level, and it has burst a couple of feet up. We followed instructions to the letter :(

We need to get that repaired, but what to do instead for next winter? Under the kitchen floor (a crawl space for slim people) there's push-to-fit plastic piping. That goes out through a cavity wall as copper pipe, before making a 90 degree turn up the wall at foot level. Is polystyrene insulation enough for the same pipe? Do we need a mechanism to fully drain the outside section?

Outside:

elbow, copper pipe

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    Can probably replace the 90 degree elbow at bottom with one that has a drain fitting. Will allow water to drain from pipe and prevent burst pipe.
    – crip659
    Mar 21 at 13:52
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    Sounds like that plumber was an idiot.
    – Hot Licks
    Mar 21 at 21:15
  • So the pipe didn't burst inside the wall? The rupture was in the vertical section outside the wall? Mar 23 at 17:34
  • Yes, outside. A foot or so below the fully open tap/faucet.
    – paul_h
    Mar 24 at 7:19
  • Amateur fix by me - Sugru (I had some) and plumbers tape - imgur.com/a/61PCyG5
    – paul_h
    Apr 23 at 15:15
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What I would do ( have done) is replace the elbow with a "T" and add a valve to be opened in winter . Presumably the valve will be below grade and will need something like a sprinkler valve box. I have a few similar drain valves in my sprinkler system.

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  • Yup, simple and easy. Drain when the winter comes, close as it leaves. Mar 21 at 18:48
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The reason it bursts is because inside the tap is a non-return valve which is required to comply with water regulations. The valve stops the tap draining. In this instance it is better to fit a tap without the non-return valve and instead fit a separate on inside the property next to your isolating valve. Your plumber will be able to do this when he repairs the burst.

FWIW, I'd also replace the rubbish isolating valve (they are NOT designed to be used more than around twenty times) with a good quality (e.g. Peglar) full bore butterfly valve. These are designed to be used regularly and will allow proper use of appliances such as pressure washers which need full flow.

Ask if you need more advice.

Unfortunately, the US solution pictured (although a good product) would violate UK Water Regulations so cannot / must not be used.

TBH there is genuinely no need to replace the bottom elbow with a tee. Once you turn off the water each winter, and crucially leave the tap itself open, because the non-return is inside the building as the water cools (and physically expands) the 'excess' water will push out of the spout meaning that pressure cannot be build up sufficiently to burst the pipe.

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    Do you not have "frost free" faucets in the UK, where the valve stem runs from the outside through the pipe to a shutoff inside the insulated space? Mar 21 at 12:36
  • @ThreePhaseEel Sounds like pipe exits wall and has elbow for pipe to go up wall a couple of feet to outdoor tap/faucet.
    – crip659
    Mar 21 at 13:57
  • There is a non return valve a few inches upstream from screwdriver-turned stop. Both of these are brass, and soldered. under the flooring it's all push to fit.
    – paul_h
    Mar 21 at 14:10
  • I also added a pic of the external copper 90 degree turn.
    – paul_h
    Mar 21 at 14:23
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Not sure if this is applicable, but here in the US we have something called "yard hydrants". The weather were I live (western Washington state) is similar to the UK.

The taps are controlled by a rod to the valve which is substantially below ground level. Not only that, they have a drain that drains the upper part into the ground when the valve is closed. You need to put in some pea gravel when installing it to give the water a place to go. I have 3 on my property and never had one freeze up and we've had some very cold days.

Yard Hydrant

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  • Amazon UK doesn't show anything like that, unfortunately. And I say that cos Amazon usually has more range than the UK DIY stores. I used to live in the US and HomeDepot and the UK stores are comparable. I'd lack the drainage space. Underneath the house - that crawl space has soil that is bitumen coated - between the cinder blocks inset from a redbrick 'cavity' walls . Brit's love bricks. It's like a timewarp down there - discarded builder's stuff from the 70's.
    – paul_h
    Mar 21 at 14:21
  • This is the in-wall version of this type of hydrant: amazon.co.uk/Prier-C-144D10-Anti-Siphon-Outdoor-Hydrant/dp/… Seems to be available on Amazon UK. The actual shutoff valve is inside the wall, and the knob outside just turns a rod inside the pipe, which operates the valve. Water drains out of the pipe between valve and hose connection when shut off. Just need to make sure you do not leave a hose connected in the winter. Mar 22 at 13:50
  • Slightly shorter, depending on how thick your wall is, but much less expensive: amazon.co.uk/Prier-Products-Anti-Siphon-Outdoor-Hydrant/dp/… Mar 22 at 13:52
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If the indoor valve is higher up or lower down than the outdoor valve without a vertical u shape in the pipe, the outdoor valve, you can install a plug indoors downstream of the indoor valve. Before the cold season, close the indoor valve, open the outdoor valve and remove the plug to drain. If it can't naturally drain you can use a wet/dry vac on suck mode to clear it or a regular vacuum or air compressor on blow mode.

For a power wasting low maintenance option, install thermoelectric heat trace and insulate and it won't freeze unless you lose power. You'll obviously spend money on heating every season.

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  • Indoor valve is about 1 foot lower than the tap.
    – paul_h
    Mar 21 at 12:04
  • Do you know the shape of the pipe? Once you have a removable plug (or T with a second valve and wetvac adaptor if you want) it's easy to drain the outdoor pipe and avoid frost damage. If the outdoor part of the pipe can't gravity drain you just have to help it.
    – K H
    Mar 21 at 12:10
  • We have indoor valves wit a built-in drain cap for exactly this purpose, but adding one separately also works.
    – Ecnerwal
    Mar 21 at 13:20
  • I added a pic of the elbow - @K-H
    – paul_h
    Mar 21 at 14:22
  • @paul_h Saw your pics. Putting the drain valve where the elbow is outdoors is probably your best option as mentioned in another answer, but is that sleeve hole into your house not properly insulated and sealed? You should look into that.
    – K H
    Mar 22 at 4:01
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Water in pipes tends to use gravity. It doesn't like to go uphill. It appearss that the tap outside is higher than the pipe feeding it. In order to drain that pipe - which obviously didn't happen, but needs to - there needs to be a cock at the lowest point.

If that's where the elbow is, that needs changing - a T with a cock will do. Otherwise, if the pipe goes lower inside the house, then the cock needs to be in it there.Then, you can drain the whole pipe, with the inside valve closed, and the outside tap open.

Insulation may help, but I wouldn't rely on it. Put something in the freezer, covered in insulation, and it will eventually freeze regardless.

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Lag the pipe with closed-cell insulation; from https://probuildermag.co.uk/features/beat-freeze-10-tips-manage-frozen-pipes

Why is closed cell insulation so effective at preventing pipes freezing? Closed cell insulation is made up of millions of self-contained, tightly packed bubbles, which provide a greater level of insulation than other materials such as bead and foam for a given thickness. That makes it a very economical choice. In addition, closed cell insulation does not absorb moisture, which means it can be used on pipework in cavity walls, cellars and under floorboards. It won’t be affected by wind driven rain, flooding and prevents condensation on the pipework itself.

Construct a box around the pipe with insulation in - old school. These can be made with a roof over the tap as well.

Some plastic pipes are more frost resistant than copper pipes and if they freeze they can expand a bit without leaking.

Heat tape; although that is probably the last option as you need to provide an electical supply.

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Where I live, we put styrofoam domes over the outside taps. Your long pipe is larger than that, but you can use the same idea. Find a cheap/disposable foam cooler sold for picnics, and use that to cover the whole thing. Or, just buy foam boards and glue together a suitable box shape.

To make it hug the wall, put a more squishable foam around the rim to form a gasket (these are sold as weatherstripping) and have it grab the pipe to hold on. I've seen two variations of this mechanism:

One is simply a rubber band. It is attached to the inside of the box, and you hook it over the knob or whatever. This relies on it having enough stretch to get your hand under and still pull tight; plus the rubber becomes brittle over time.

A better way is cord that passes through a hole in the back of the box. You loop the cord around the pipe, then draw it tight from the outside; it has a little thing strung on it that's the same as for a drawstring bag or hood, that grabs the cord normally but releases when you hold down a button.

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