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So I have an 1880s Victorian in Boston that is proving to be quite the adventure. I'm new to this, so hopefully I am using the right words.

I have a four zone hot water heating system with radiators and baseboards. One of the zones (my problem zone) covers most of my second floor and features three standing radiators -- big old Niagras.

For each of the radiators, the hot water travels up from the basement, through the radiator, and then back down to the basement. The pipe then crosses the basement ceiling and goes back up again to the next radiator. After the third and final radiator, the pipe returns to the boiler area where there's a pump to pull the water.

The first radiator in the loop is HOT. The second is lukewarm. The third is room temperature.

We replaced the old pump with a new Taco - the old one was on its last legs. We also replaced the expansion tank.

The next identified culprit is the flowcheck valve (green in photo attached).

Could it be that the flow valve is slowing the flow of water through the system? Is it more likely that the first radiator is gobbling up the heat somehow?

I've attached photos of the first radiator, the up/down pipes (just to give you an idea), and the flow valve we may replace next.

Any help/ideas for what could be wrong would be much appreciated.

J

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  • In order to find out the problem with your system, a better explanation of the piping with pictures is necessary. You indicate that the rads are piped in series and if that is the way it is, it is wrong. Please draw a diagram of exactly how the rads are piped and add some pictures of that piping. Also, add a picture of the rad in picture #2 taken from directly in front of the rad. Your system may be piped in a direct or reverse return or a Monoflo configuration. please explain in detail since we are not there to witness how it is piped. If they are piped in series that will have to be changed. – d.george Mar 29 at 14:53
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If the radiators are in series, bypass valves in the basement to adjust the energy flow by "short-cutting" would be a solution. Sometimes the size of the radiators are adapted to the hot water flow in old systems.

Also a flush of all radiators can help to improve the throughput - sometimes they are clogged with metal oxides and dirt like old car radiators.

If the first radiator is only hot in the upper part, and cold in the lower part, it could be also a failure of the pump (blocked by the dirt in the system) resp. the capacitor of the pump. Often this capacitor is defect thus blocking the pump from running on its nominal power. This can even happen with new pumps.

A photo of the pump might help to identify that probability.

Air bubbles in the radiators are another reason for cold radiators. Could be easily checked by the bleeding valves. Thus the color of the water can be seen (f.e. in a white cup).

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Looks like someone "repurposed" steam radiators by adding return lines. You've got a buttload of uninsulated pipe there. I would seriously consider re-plumbing between the 3 radiators without dropping down and up again in between. This may be impossible or at least aesthetically ugly depending on where the radiators are & whether you can run pipes thru walls, etc.
I would start by putting insulation (tubular foam rather like pool noodles) on all the pipes you can get to and see if that helps at all.

BTW, since your first radiator does get, and stay, hot, I disagree that there's any flow restriction. If there were, hot water wouldn't get anywhere.

As a side note, personally I'd look into replacing all the radiators with electric units. You can run all the wires thru the existing pipes. Not cheap but does simplify things, and allow for room-by-room zone heating if desired.

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  • A radiator can get hot by in-tube circulation, also called micro-circulation, independent on downstream flow restrictions. – xeeka Mar 19 at 14:10

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