2

I'm creating a 10'8" opening to my kitchen.

The architect proposed a double top plate with king stud, jack stud and (3) 2x12 header but would not explain why. The existing framing does not have the plate, it's just a 2x6 that sits inside a notch on the column.

What's purposed of having double plate and king stud when you can just have an LVL beam header with post that carries the load to the foundation wall?

enter image description here

1
  • Maybe it's because your architect is getting a kickback from the local lumberyard. It's very difficult for us to make a structural/architectural judgement from waaaay over here with the very limited info you've given. If you're not happy with the work being done, you've always got the option to fire the architect and hire a new one with the provisio that he be willing to explain every detail...
    – FreeMan
    Oct 15 '20 at 11:07
5

The original framing here is balloon framing. It doesn't work the same way that platform framing works. (Platform framing variants are almost universal for well over 50 years in the US.) The studs are continuous from the plate under the rafters to the sill on the foundation.

It replaced post and beam construction because it didn't rely on massive straight timbers for posts, beams, and girts. It went out of style when it got to be hard to get lumber long enough for those long studs.

Balloon Framing

The board you're calling a header isn't really a header, it's a ribband or ledger. The joists rest on the ribband, but are also face nailed to the studs, so the ribband doesn't do all of the transfer of the floor load to the studs. The ribband doesn't span across openings the way a header or joist or beam does.

I don't have any technical understanding how window openings in balloon framing worked. If you're used to platform framing headers, some of what you see in balloon framing looks like it wouldn't work. But it has held up very well in homes built from the late 1800s to maybe 1930. The walls are surprisingly strong. They usually just have a single horizontal 2x4 spanning the small openings, maybe a doubled 2x4. (Of course in those days, a 2x4 was really 2" x 4", and the quality of lumber in general was far better.) I have seen pictures of much more elaborate methods, but haven't actually seen them in the wild. I suspect they were used in the load bearing walls on bigger openings in high end homes.

Balloon Framing Window Opening Support

I suspect it has something to do with balloon framing walls working as a structural assembly. With the sheathing and the ribband, the headers don't support the entire weight above the window. Since the studs are continuous, there are no cripples above the header, the studs above the header continue all the way up. In a sense the headers they used, if you can even call them headers, hang from the studs above.

I am just guessing, but I don't think architects and engineers have a super detailed understanding of how balloon framing works like they do with platform framing. Maybe your architect figured it was better to just overbuild it rather than try to figure out what's the minimum you can get by with. They probably did you a favor - they'd have charged you more for the detailed analysis than you'd ever recover in the cost of lumber you save.

2
  • 2
    "...better to just overbuild it rather than try to figure out what's the minimum you can get by with...." Good point. Oct 15 '20 at 13:29
  • 1
    "Anyone can build a <Wall> that works; only and engineer can build a <Wall> that barely works" - unknown
    – mark f
    Oct 15 '20 at 16:02
2

Double top plates are used to 1) tie interior walls to exterior walls (with lapped plates), and 2) creating a perimeter chord that is tied together (lapped plates) for the roof to create a structural shear diaphragm.

I doubt if your engineer did a very thorough structural analysis because your new header is greatly oversized from the original header.

However, we’ve learned a lot about horizontal forces in the last 40 years, so if you live in a high wind area, flood area, or seismic active area , then it’s just good practice (and common practice) to use a double top plate.

In addition, you don’t have much of a load at that opening because if you look close you’ll notice your existing SINGLE header has a splice on the left side which is right at the beginning of the opening... bad.

To answer your question: the double top plate is not to hold anything up, it’s to hold everything together under horizontal loading.

1
  • RE: Load - Are you sure there's a limited load and that it's not a case of the floor above having settled/sagged because of the inadequate header? Though I agree 100% that the splice was made at a poorly chosen location.
    – FreeMan
    Sep 15 '20 at 11:15
2

Mostly because it's a modern standard in wall construction. There's no motivation for an architect (or a carpenter) to cheap out for a little bit of wood on a one-off basis. It may not strictly be necessary here, but the cost of a couple boards is less than that of the professional time spent deliberating the issue.

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.