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I have three wires coming to the existing, very old, thermostat:

  1. Black, but wired to the "R" terminal of the current thermostat.
  2. White, but wired to the "W" terminal of the current thermostat.
  3. Red, but not wired/connected to anything, just wrapped around the other two wires.

I have multi-meter, is there anyway I can make the Ecobee 3 work with this setup?

EDIT in response to ThreePhaseEel in particular.

Folks thanks for the interest in helping me with this.

The other end of the thermostat wire is complicated, and I didn't mention that the system has two zones (see Picture 1). enter image description here

I thought all I had to do was find the other end of the existing thermostat wires, for the zone I care about. That has not been so easy. See the boiler wiring (see Pictures 2, 3, 4)enter image description here. enter image description hereenter image description hereI can't tell where the end of the thermostat wire for the zone that I'm interested in is. There's a brown wire that I think is typical thermostat wire, but it doesn't have the right wire colors, and originally, I thought it was for the other zone.

I expected that the junction box on the left in Picture 5 enter image description herewould have 120AC as well as two theromstat wires in it, one for each zone, and I would see the red wire there, and I'd just test for continuity. Instead, as seen Picture 6:enter image description here it has a thermostat wire and a white and black wire. The black and white wires look like power (120VAC) to me based on the gauge.

My goal was to simply to connect the unused red wire to either an obvious common (does that make sense), or buy a 24VAC transformer and attach that to the red wire. But I can't find the end of the red wire (or the other for that matter).

Any thoughts? I thought I was starting to "suss it out", but instead, I'm back to square one. I can't even figure out where my existing thermostat wire is coming into the boiler picture.

EDIT in response to ThreePhaseEel in particular: I'm sorry, should have uploaded this already; see wiring diagram below.
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  • Have you investigated the connections at the other end? – isherwood Sep 14 '20 at 15:28
  • The other end is difficult. It's an old boiler (Weil-McLain, I think). It's behind a washer-dryer setup. I can take pictures, but I see little that I can make sense of. If there are "R", "W", "C", etc. labels in there, I can't tell at this point. I was hoping that the red wire could be a "common". Is there a way to test that with a multimeter? – codenoob Sep 14 '20 at 23:53
  • Can you get us a make/model number for the boiler please? – ThreePhaseEel Sep 15 '20 at 2:34
  • The boiler is a weil-mclain boiler cgm-4-p1 – codenoob Sep 15 '20 at 3:13
  • @codenoob -- can you get us photos of the wiring diagram on your boiler? Weil-McLain doesn't publish a control supplement for it... – ThreePhaseEel Sep 16 '20 at 2:16
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Unfortunately, your old thermostat likely did not have power going to it, just sense lines that closed a circuit when the mercury switch attached to the thermostat closed. All of the "cool" new thermostats require power and a neutral line (so minimum 4 wires). Is there any way you can get power to the planned install location? they make 24V plug in transformers to do this, here is one transformer option; then you can use the existing wires as needed assuming they are get-at-able from both sides.

  • Thanks Mark F. I actually bought and have a "FAST-STAT Common Maker". Thing is, according to Ecobee, I can make it work (in my heat only use-case) support.ecobee.com/hc/en-us/articles/… with three wires. Anyway, see my comment to isherwood. I have pics, but frankly, I don't think they are very helpful. – codenoob Sep 14 '20 at 23:58
  • No, provided the OP's gas controls are 24VAC (not millivolt), the Ecobee will be perfectly happy with 3 wires (R/W/C) – ThreePhaseEel Sep 16 '20 at 2:17
  • I guess there were other users addressing this same problem a bit ago, and 3PhaseEel has it right (no surprise!) here is the summary from the other thread in 2018. diy.stackexchange.com/questions/136840/… – mark f Sep 16 '20 at 15:36
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Just connect the spare wire to the C terminal depicted in Picture 4

According to your wiring diagram, what's depicted in Picture 4 should be the transformer/circulator-relay combination unit shown in the wiring diagram, which provides a handy-dandy 'C' (Common) terminal for you to connect your spare thermostat wire to. So, simply land the wire there, with power to the boiler off of course, and button up the junction box on the left if you haven't already, since all it has in it is mains wiring, which has nothing to do with the thermostats. You can then close the boiler back up and hook up your Ecobee with black to R, white to W, and red to C. Once the thermostat is hooked up, you should be able to turn the boiler back on and enjoy your new smart thermostat!

As to the theory behind this

Your old mechanical thermostat was indeed just closing a switch, but it was actually connecting power (24VAC from the transformer on R) to the "call for heat" connection (W terminal) when it decided heat was needed. As a result, since you already have constant-hot there, all the Ecobee needs to power itself is a return path independent of the call for heat wire, and the C terminal on your boiler provides just that.

  • Thanks. That's great. Problem is I don't know where the spare thermostat wire is at the boiler end. There's brown thermostat looking wire, but I don't think that's it as there's no black and white in that bundle. – codenoob Sep 19 '20 at 23:57
  • @codenoob -- come to think of it, is there a zone board somewhere in your system? Trace the brown thermostat cable from the boiler and see where it goes... – ThreePhaseEel Sep 20 '20 at 0:03

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