I have a bit of a cluster going on.

  • There is (A) stair light with (A) up and (A) down switches.
  • There is a (B) switch that goes to (B) outlet controlling one plug.
  • (A) & (B) switches are in the same box where four wires are entering in, two 3 wire and two 4 wire, in the diagram I omitted the grounds for clarity.
  • I want to install (C) fan (a Kichler Barrington #35170) and have it controlled with (B) switch and make (B) outlet normal to always hot for both plugs.
  • The (B) line is easily accessible from the attic.

Can I:

  • cut the (B) line,
  • run it from (B) switch to (C) fan,
  • exit the fan without the red wire,
  • reconnect to the cut (B) wire going to (B) outlet?

I've never tried exiting a fan and continuing. Is it better to just cut, piggy the black to the fan, have the red go to the fan, and no red going to (B) plug?

Or since the fan had a wireless remote, can I just cut the (B) wire, splice another (C) wire in, run the black and white to the fan, reconnect the red as it was? This will make the fan always hot and used by remote? wiring diagram

  • Are you OK with rewiring the receptacle at B? And how attached are you to a) the remote that came with the fan and b) the notion of having a remote on the fan at all? Good first post BTW! Commented Aug 2, 2020 at 3:10
  • I think the remote is required for the fan, like a bread machine it has three speeds lol... I think that will work to just cut B, piggy in line C going to fan, and reconnect the cut red like it was. That would be fine right? Commented Aug 2, 2020 at 3:20
  • What make and model is the fan in question? Commented Aug 2, 2020 at 3:28
  • Kichler Barrington #35170 it needs full on to not damage receiver I just read, so I think this is on the right track Commented Aug 2, 2020 at 3:30
  • How attached are you to a) this particular fan and b) having a wall switch for your fan? Commented Aug 2, 2020 at 3:33

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The issue with tapping in like that is slack

In order to have a legally (and practically) wire-able junction box, you need to have a sufficient length of cable coming in (about 6") so that connections can be made without having to reach all the way into the back of the box. The problem is, your average wiring run doesn't have 8" of slack length in it to deal with having a 4" fan-rated round or octagon box cut into the middle of the run. Solving this problem requires either an additional box or a special NM splice kit to splice an additional length of NM cable into the circuit so that sufficient wire length's available in the box where you're making your connections.

Once you have that solved...

Once you have the fan-rated box up and the wire length issues worked out, we can then focus on re-wiring. The red wire in the switch-box-to-B cable gets abandoned and capped off by itself at all ends (although if you're using a NM splice kit, it can't terminate there!), and all the grounds get connected together and to the box in the new fan box, of course. Once that's done, the fan box wiring is as per the instructions, just with an additional black and white in there to pass power on to the receptacle. Finally, switch B and the always-hot pigtail feeding it can be removed (if you want, you can get a battery-operated wall controller from Kichler that works with the remote for your fan, part #370039MULTR, and install it in place of switch B although you may have to swap the wallplate at that location to a toggle+decorator type to do so), and the receptacle at B can be replaced with one whose tab has not been broken off.

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