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Will this separate pipe for dishwasher cause sewer gases to enter into cabinet and dishwasher to get wet dog smell? The separate dishwasher pipe design - at top of pipe is a 2” Wye fitting - one side is open and other side dishwasher drain hose goes into it, the wye is connected to a straight pipe, then a p-trap (glued on), then a pipe connecting into drain / waste line (same drain line the sink connects to above it). The corrugated dishwasher hose goes diagonal to straight pipe and is zip tied (little bit of flat) and then up to wye opening (not a smooth high loop).

If so, how do I correct problem? can I cut off Wye and cap pipe, connect dishwasher to Insinkator with high loop inside cabinet - note sink and insinkator have Oatey aav (dfu 20) for vent? Have a similar setup with a basement bar sink but no garbage disposal. Been trying to determine where sewer gas (methane) is coming from. Put clear p traps on today to see if aav (put new one a few days ago) are working or high winds drawing down p traps. Have water softener, well water has been tested, septic tank cleaned last year, raised roof stacks foot and put candy cane with 3/8” drilled hole caps, ran garden hose down every roof stack, recaulked all toilets. Plumber that designed n installed long gone and was approved by county so please no comments just solutions.

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  • So what was the result of your transparent trap investigation? My first guess was that the somewhat tall input pipe there might result in flushing of the trap water seal. – isherwood Jul 21 at 18:57
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    Agree with @isherwood. Water comes pretty fast out of a dishwasher, so it could be blasting the seal in the P-trap. Also, typically i've seen dishwasher outputs hooked to the garbage disposal. Not positive from your photo, but that black inlet right above the horizontal white PVC pipe on the garbage disposal is probably it. I'd hook to that if possible. – Jamie M Jul 21 at 18:59
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    The separate dishwasher drain/trap is unnecessary. As noted it should be connected to an air gap and then to the dishwasher port on the disposal. Make sure you knock out the plug in the dishwasher port before your attach it. Also the air admittance valve is low, it should be as high as it can be. – Alaska Man Jul 21 at 19:16
  • Just put the transparent trap on today so new info – user120153 Jul 21 at 20:20
  • Need held understanding the aav, its tied to sink p trap which feeds into vertical drain behind wall. Separate dishwasher pvc pipe with p trap is below and connects into same vertical drain line as sink line (about four inches below- does dishwasher use or impact aav since its on same vertical drain? – user120153 Jul 21 at 20:27
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The smell is almost certainly from your AAV. While they are not to dispose of gases from the pipes, they always do. Having an AAV makes really no sense because you are going into a wall.

It doubly makes no sense because there seems to be another drain without one - unless I am not seeing it in the picture.

The only "fix" is to have this drain attached to a proper vent which is probably in the wall behind it. There is no other "fix" unless you just upgrade the AAV and hope it does a better job of not letting smells out.

As far as dishwasher - it should be going into garbage disposal. I don't think that is the smell issue but might as well get it right.

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  • Update - we’re get methane gas not h2s (rotten egg).. discovered no water seal / sanitary T in septic. Got that fixed and has helped (possibility of pressure from sewer gases keeping mechanical air valves open). Transparent ptraps didn’t show siphoning.. picked up an lel detector that measure at lower level .. while running faucet sometimes the lel will go off where mechanical valve is install..talked to manufacturers and they said try another one even though this one is new.. – user120153 Aug 23 at 18:33
  • Question: the sinks with mechanical valves tie into drain lines that do vent out on my roof stack vent pipes (some are 1 1/2” and 2” OD)..Are these vents needed or will ptraps not function right? Not a plumber so don’t know how many fixtures can be tied to each roof stack.. house has ling pipe runs.. winds have been calm lately which improves air quality – user120153 Aug 23 at 18:37
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This may be naive of me of not fully understanding plumbing systems. The dishwasher configuration appears to be “OK”. You have a P-trap and the air gap for the dishwasher is between the P-trap and the dishwasher.

Purpose of a P-trap is to prevent the smell from the drain/waste line from entering the house. What I see in your sink setup is a vent pipe that is venting the gas into the cabinet, effectively bypassing the P-trap under the sink.

If possible, remove the vent cap and replace with a end cap, do not glue, just a tight fit, and see if the smell goes away. I have never seen a vent pipe from the waste side of the drain vent into the interior of a house. That just seem like a strange location for a vent pipe.

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If the smell goes away, you can seal the end cap on to that pipe. Maybe someone can come up with a reason why the drain/waste line is venting into the cabinet at that specific location.

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    Your top red arrow points to an Air Admittance Valve (AAV). This is designed to be a 1-way valve to allow air into the pipes, but not allow any out. They are allowed by code in some jurisdictions where venting directly outside would be impractical (like an island sink). It's generally recommended that they be avoided when possible since they will fail, but that's probably why the OP just replaced them all - to ensure any that may have failed were replaced with known (or expected) good ones. – FreeMan Jul 22 at 16:35
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The whole thing is about the most contrived way of setting it up. There needs to be one wall entrance, not two (why, whyyyyy I ask) and the pipe in the wall needs a proper vent connection to the vent stack. If this is an island, then I'd really advise getting something esthetically pleasing going up into the ceiling, carrying within the vent pipe, and connecting to normal vent stack. The AAVs are crap. I've not seen one yet that wouldn't eventually fail, and they fail slowly so that you get bad smells in little increments and get used to them, and then guests come over and you wonder why they won't come over again :/

As for the islands: that's what happens when a designer doesn't ask an engineer first. Some "genius" somewhere did this first, without understanding anything about plubming. Then other "genius" designers, equally clueless, like monkeys flinging poo at each other because why not (everyone does it, lol), have copied this "idea". Eventually, as these absurdities began failing post-hoc inspections (usually on house sales), rich people misled by the "genius" designers began pushing back on the local authorities, who in turn began pushing back on the code development community. The code people were basically presented with those as a fait accompli and told "deal with it". They understood the interpersonal dynamics of this developing fiasco well enough to toss the ball back to the lower court - suggesting that localities have the power to allow whatever the heck they want in their jurisdiction. Since this was effectively a political issue to the localities and their officials, the localities treated this as a "nod" from the code development ivory tower and began allowing those, whereas in reality most engineers who keep the codes going would have nothing to do with AAVs in islands.

From my engineering vantage point, AAVs should have never been allowed on kitchen islands. You want an island, you get a vent pipe going up from it and tied into the vent stack. It can be a clear pipe for all I care, to be less offensive, but you do need it and there's no skipping that one.

There's nothing "prettier" than a beautiful "designer" kitchen with an island, looking like a magazine picture, but smelling like a dog's rear end. That's why smellorama didn't pan out, and why magazine pictures are still just pictures, no smell. Because these things are, frankly said, like supermodels with diarrhea. Gut-wrenchingly sad.

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Odd set up. Normally the Dishwasher should attatch to the inlet spigot on the garbage disposal. (you likely have to tap out the round disk first to open the pathway) Ive never seen anything like the circled extra drain path. I cant tell what its attached to, but if the DW hose is just stuck into the top, that dosnt seem well designed. Im also curious what it does on the other side of the wall: are the two drains properly Wye'd or is there just a tee connecting them?enter image description here

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  • They Wye on the dishwasher makes a proper air gap for the dishwasher hose entering the plumbing, with a fitting you can actually find as opposed to a unicorn. The stank problem is certainly the AAV. – Ecnerwal Sep 22 at 23:43

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