The Question (see pic below): Can I safely sister 2x8s to a 2x4 king post truss/open rafter system to achieve an insulated open ceiling/vaulted design.

The Details: I have a garage that is 18 feet long by 14 feet wide. I am planning on converting this slowly to a finished shop space and would prefer open rafter/vaulted ceiling for aesthetics. I also want the option to convert to ADU and am going to the headache to rough in everything to code. Energy code requires R49 unless it's an joist-vaulted or single rafter design, in which case you can use R38. Since I am leaving 1-2 inches of space for the air gap between the roof and the insulation, I think I can just add 2x8s sistered to the 2x4 rafters then use 6 inches of thermosheath R13.1 (per 2 inches) to get R39.3 and still have enough room for the air gap.

The entire king post truss system is built entirely out of 2x4 except the king post, which are 2x6s. There are 4 trusses spaced 4 feet and then rafters spaced 24 inches (the last truss is 2 feet from the back wall). I'm located in Spokane, WA.

I'm just worried that the weight of the 2x8s will exceed the load for the roof, especially where there is open rafter. Is this the case, or am I OK? Any other thoughts on how to achieve this?

Thank you!

Here's a pic of what I'm dealing with:

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Here is what I am going for, ultimately, understanding that when it's all said and done only the tie rafter and the king post would be exposed.

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  • Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. My guess is that you'll need a structural engineer to get a reasonable answer for this. – Daniel Griscom Jul 15 '20 at 0:44
  • Yes, I figure that may be the case. I'm hoping someone here might have prior experience of the code and guide me. Keep in mind I really am looking at sistering the rafters, not the joists. I would be willing to upgrade joists to 2x8 or whatever to accommodate the overall heavier rafters, however. – Justin C Jul 15 '20 at 1:18
  • Is there a reason you're going with an air-gapped vaulted ceiling instead of a hot roof assembly? The design ground snow load for Spokane, WA is only 39psf, much lower than the 60psf ground snow load figure that makes hot roofs no longer practical due to the R value of snow...or are you outside the city limits in a place that gets much more snow than the design loads? – ThreePhaseEel Jul 15 '20 at 2:20

This type of roof construction is what I call “stick built” That is to say individual boards are nailed together in the field in place. Another similar type is “beam and joist”.

The main difference between the two systems is the beam and joist can resist the spreading of the exterior walls when put in a vaulted design. Where as the stick built will “push” the exterior walls outward when the bottom chords are removed for a vaulted design.

I think you have two options:

OPTION #1: Install a “roof tie” from one side (2x8 joist) to the other side (2x8 joist) to keep the joists from spreading apart when you remove the horizontal 2x4’s to create the vaulted design. (If you like the ceiling vaulted up to the peak, the roof tie could remain exposed.)

OPTION #2: Install a ridge beam the length of the roof so the new 2x8 roof joists can rest on the beam. By installing the ridge beam, all of the vertical forces (Live Load and Dead Load) will act vertically on the ridge beam AND exterior walls...thus no need for the roof ties.

I like the idea of using rigid insulation so you can maintain a 1” or 2” air space between the insulation and the bottom of the roof sheathing for ventilation. However, remember the code says ventilation shall be “cross-ventilation”. In order to accomplish this you’ll need to either provide a ridge vent and cut the sheathing back so air can vent in each joist space...or cut holes through the ridge joist so air can circulate from side to side of building.

You are creating a “habitable space”. Therefore you’ll need to bring the entire structure up to code, including energy code (walls and slab on grade), structural code (wind and seismic shear resistance), exit/entrance door (3’ wide minimum), egress window (in sleeping room), bath and kitchen facilities, etc.

To answer your original question, yes 2x8’s at 24” on center sistered to the original rafters will work, but as described in Option 1 and 2, several conditions apply, (i.e.: add roof tie or add ridge beam).

**Update 1:

The new picture shows a several structural trusses with a ridge “beam” spanning from truss to truss. This is not what was described in the OP. Building structural trusses using 2x8 joists for the top chord is possible. Providing a horizontal lower chord with a vertical king post at the center could be similar to the new updated picture. However, the 2x8 joists would be buried in the roof structure in order to provide the air space required for venting.

  • Hey Lee, that's helpful, thanks! Could I do this: 1. Sister 2x8s to the rafters in between the trusses, but NOT add a roof tie for the rafters 2. Sister 2x8s to the truss top chords, leave the 2x4 bottom chords and king posts as is 3. Leave the non structural ridge beam as is 4. Bury all top chords/rafters when I drywall, leaving ONLY the king post and bottom chords (spaced at the current 48inches) – Justin C Jul 19 '20 at 7:07
  • @JustinC Yes, that is an option and all that is fine, if you can get the required air clearance above the insulation. The existing ties will keep the walls from bowing outward. – Lee Sam Jul 19 '20 at 7:39

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