House built in the early 70's. Yesterday, I had to unmount a few light fixtures in my hall. The three lights are all controlled (as a single group) by three different wall switches. The fixtures are newer vintage and the bases are very lightweight, so I left them hanging by their electrical leads connected to wire nuts. One of them was not well connected to the wire nuts, and the black leads pulled out. The white ones remained connected and supported the weight.

When I went to connect the fixture and remount it, I noticed an extra black wire coming from the box. I assumed it went with the other black fixture leads in the wire nut. I had the breaker switched off so I was surprised to get a zap from one of the mounting screws when trying to work with the wires. I also noticed that when the "extra" black wire was connected to the fixture, the light bulb flickered dimly. I moved the extra wire aside and connected the light fixture to the other black lead (the one still in the wire nut). Flipped the breaker on and all the lights works fine. After that, I noticed another wire nut and bundle of black wires up in the box (picture below). Can anyone tell me if the extra wire belongs there? I really appreciate any help anyone can provide.

Light fixture box


Switch Box 1

Switch Box 2

Switch Box 3

  • Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. That wire popped out of a wire nut (note the curl at the end), but we can't tell which one from here; perhaps a diagram would help? And, you should probably take our tour so you'll know you'll know the details of contributing here. Jul 13, 2020 at 18:31
  • @DanielGriscom we can’t assume that the curl was there before 0p bundled it in with the others in the failed attempt to find its home.
    – Kris
    Jul 13, 2020 at 18:34
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    Check to see if there are any outlets or lights that are not working. Jul 13, 2020 at 18:51
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    @FreeMan, The "electricians that installed this" are me :) I replaced these switches and wall plates about a year ago. I did not know about the grounding screw typically being at the bottom, so thank you for that tip! I definitely did install the switches exactly like the old ones, without a grounding wire, so you may be right about "short cuts" a previous electrician may have made. I will note that all of the plugs I've replaced DO have a grounding wire connected.
    – drewns
    Jul 14, 2020 at 18:26
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    gulp! Thanks for taking that in the right spirit, @drewns!
    – FreeMan
    Jul 14, 2020 at 18:32

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I wanted to follow up with the correct answer for anyone who might find this thread in the future. We're in the middle of a kitchen/dining remodel, so I waited until the electricians were here for their rough-in and asked them about this hall fixture. One little detail I forgot to mention regarding the two wires from the pipe: The pipe is "filled" with some kind of black solid or foam. Turns out the two wires from the pipe should have been twisted together, but there was no wire nut for them, and they were not making a good connection. This made our DOORBELL not work. It has not worked for the 7 years we've lived at this house. Directly above the ceiling box (in the attic) was the transformer for the doorbell. I've looked for it a bit in the past so I could repair/replace it, but was never able to find it. Also, the electrician noted that the hall light circuit was sharing a neutral with a kitchen circuit. They said that was not ideal, and fixed it.

So in summary, in addition to its normal ceiling box duties, this box was doubling as a junction box for the doorbell transformer AND doubling as a junction box for a kitchen circuit. Mystery solved. Thank you everyone that contributed!

  • Wow... that's a busy little JB! Thanks for coming back to let us know. Be sure to give yourself a check mark on this answer, so that others will know it's been resolved.
    – FreeMan
    Aug 2, 2020 at 17:46

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