# Does the NEC have a table for oversizing wire for extended lengths?

I have a very long property with no power at the back. I'm trying to get a 13A reciprocating saw out there to do some demo work. The cable would need to be ~250'. Does the NEC have a table that would specifically address this? I found 310.15b online. It looks old and I'm not sure if it is still accurate. Also, I assume this is copper wire but I am not certain. What I concluded is 12ga @ 250', roughly 77m would have right about 0.4 ohms of resistance. Seems pretty high to me. I don't know what the standard is, but I think most of my extension cords are in the 0.15 to 0.2. If my math is correct, 10ga would drop the resistance to 0.25 ohms and 8ga would drop it to 0.16. Is this correct, or is there a more precise table for something like this?

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Southwire has a voltage drop calculator here: https://www.southwire.com/calculator-vdrop The resistance for 250' of 12ga is indeed around .4 ohms.

You also should remember that you'll only be drawing 13 amps when the saw is fully loaded. According to the calculator when drawing the full 13 amps you'd see a voltage drop of almost 10% on 12 ga wire. For 10ga at full load it would be just over 5%.

Up to you if you want to save some money on wire and risk higher voltage drop or spend quite a few more bucks and get 10ga.

The NEC does not provide a table.

While the code recommends 5% NEMA considers +/-10% acceptable, so #12 is in the grey area (7.5%) between the two.

Real world on construction job sites 200ft. of #12 will operate a sawzall, as George pointed out 13A is the full load draw, but if you go that route be gentle and patient, and pay attention to the heat of the saw. If you overload it or unseen circumstances exist that result in even lower voltage it will draw more than 13A and will overheat the saw.

I personally would choose to throw my generator in the lawn tractor trailer rather than using 200ft. of cord.

• Perhaps I need to just buy a generator. Jun 13, 2020 at 15:28
• And a lawn tractor. Jun 13, 2020 at 15:28
• Really just mentioned that because sometimes things like a generator are on list of things people are planning on, and the price of 200ft. of #10 cords could move it up the list. Jun 13, 2020 at 15:37
• No I agree. 250 ft of stranded outdoor cable is going to run me \$350. I might as well look into a generator. Jun 13, 2020 at 15:39
• I was thinking about recommending a generator as well. They are pretty handy. But 250' of 12-2 UF at HD is about \$114 and could be re-used for other projects. I know it's not code to run put a plug on it and run it along the ground with a receptacle at the end, but that can be pretty handy too! LOL Jun 13, 2020 at 15:43

## No, and for good reason!

NEC is mainly concerned about wire safety. NEC prohibits using wires that are so small that they will overheat - and a great deal of effort goes into that, in the area of 310.15 and its numerous sub-sections, starting with (B)(16) (oh, there's over 20 sections now of just (B)).

For instance, #1 aluminum is good for 100A (assuming 75C wire and terminations). It's good for 100A whether the wire goes 3 feet or 3 miles. Consider a 1-foot segment of that cable. That segment will have the same resistance, and thus, at breaker-trip amperage, the same voltage drop and heat regardless of how far the cable goes. That is all NEC cares about.

NEC does not mandate voltage drop.

However, NEC makes an off-hand "informational note" that suggests in general service, you will get better results if you confine voltage drop over any segment to 3%, and systemwide (service point to outlet) to 8% overall. People wildly misinterpret that, and stupidly overspend on wire. Don't get suckered into that!

Try a thought exercise. I have a driveway 1/2 mile long and I want a 15-watt LED post light every 40', so 66 lights. 66 x 15 watts = 990 watts. Voltage drop over 1/2 mile is gonna be an issue, right? I select modern lights that work totally fine on any voltage from 90V to 306V (that's 100V Japan or 277V USA industrial, +/- 10%.) And then I feed 240V down #14 wire, because I'm Harper. What happens? The farthest light barely gets 100V*. It doesn't care, I don't care, and NEC doesn't care.

The People's Republic of Canada cares. They require "Nanny breakers" to protect you from yourself. You must size for 3% voltage drop, based on (pay attention here) either a) the actual load, or b) 80% of breaker trip. They never require you to size for breaker trip. So don't do that in your own calculations!

So in Canada if you had #1 aluminum going 250' (mind you the wire is good for 100A), you'd need a 70A Nanny Breaker to keep your voltage drop at 2.83% at 56A actual. In the USA you can just use a 100A breaker and "suffer" the 4.04% drop at 80A actual, which literally no appliance anywhere will care about even slightly.

So the rule in the USA is "don't take it to extremes" - if you are neglectful enough with voltage drop to cause serious problems, then you can get red-flagged under NEC 110.12 workmanship. But I'll have no trouble arguing the use-case for my 240V lighting circuit.

I went ahead and crunched your numbers into a voltage drop calc: 250' 120V 13A. Here's what I get for #12 wire:

• 14 AWG: 14.52% (nope)
• 12 AWG: 9.40% (yikes)
• 10 AWG: 5.68% (perfectly acceptable to me)
• 8 AWG: 3.74% (perfectly fine)

I would go straight for a transformer. Plug it into a 240V circuit and use a 240/120 isolation transformer to pump it down to 120V. In an informal toss-it-together scenario, this also gives you passive ground fault protection, in that the tool hot+neutral are totally isolated from ground. Try our numbers now (250', 240V, 6.5A)

• 14 AWG: 3.63% (and we're done)

I can't get it to give me 16 AWG, but that's probably acceptable too. So just daisy-chain 3 common extension cords, but change the plugs and sockets to NEMA 6-15.

1.5 KVA transformers, and even 5 KVA transformers, pop up on Craigslist from time to time.

* I'm "making this up" to show the principle: I haven't actually crunched the numbers, nor do I intend to.

• So you reached the same conclusion I did. This is obviously temporary. Eventually my options for Permanent power would be burying a ser cable or running a Line from the nearest pole, which will require another pole on my property. Jun 13, 2020 at 17:56