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Corded Dishwasher and Disposal each have own 20a circuit with dual-function breakers; however, they each go to a single receptacle that share the same 2-gang box.

Am I correct that splicing the grounds together - as one would normally do when sharing a box - would render the GFI of the dual-function breaker useless? Would the only way to appropriately resolve this be to utilize two separate single-gang boxes? Are there any exceptions to having two different circuits sharing a box yet not sharing ground?

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It's the neutrals you need to firewall

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GFCI and DFCI devices simply do not care about ground. (Note how a GFCI breaker has no ground connection -- it has line-hot, line-neutral, load-hot, and load-neutral, and that's all!) In fact, one could pull two hots and two neutrals through an EMT conduit to a metal box, thus having a single ground path all the way from the panel to the box, and have this wiring setup work, provided the receptacle box is wired correctly.

And in that, I mean that each DFCI needs to supply both its own hot and its own neutral to its corresponding receptacle, with no cross-connections between hots or neutrals; if you get this wrong, you'll get unwanted tripping due to wayward neutral current bypassing the DFCI that it originally ran through to get to its corresponding appliance. This is because GFCI protection relies on the First Rule of Electricity; namely, that current flows in closed loops. As a result, if the current going out on the hot wire doesn't match the current coming back on the neutral wire, that current has to be going somewhere else, and the GFCI assumes that "somewhere else" is you and kills the power to save your bacon.

So, once you have two independent hot/neutral pairs as well as a grounding path to the box (this can be done as 12AWG wires in a conduit, as a single 12/2/2 cable, or as two independent 12/2 cables), you can wire this all up in a single 1-gang box of sufficient size (18 in³ minimum). You simply need to use a regular NEMA 5-20T duplex receptacle, preferably specification grade, and break both tabs off (i.e. not just the tab/fin on the hot side, but the one on the neutral side as well). As a result, you'll have two independent 20A receptacles on the same mounting yoke -- each receptacle is connected to its corresponding pair of brass and silver screws, but not to the other receptacle or the other receptacle's terminal screws.

From there, it's just a matter making sure that your first hot/neutral pair goes to the terminal screws for the top receptacle and your second hot/neutral pair goes to the terminal screws for the bottom receptacle. If you mix the wires up at this point, once again, you'll get reminded when your DFCIs trip on you as soon as you put a load on the circuit, for the same reason as before.

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    And you must use a 20A recep, because each circuit will only have one socket. When a circuit has exactly one socket, the ampacity of the recep must exactly match the ampacity of the breaker. – Harper - Reinstate Monica Mar 10 at 9:06
  • Instead of two dual-function breakers and separate neutrals, couldn't you have just one dual-function double-pole breaker and one neutral, wire it as an MWBC (as is apparently common for a duplex receptacle having two circuits), and sidestep the entire issue that way? (Or did you just leave that out under the assumption that the wires are already ran, thus making it too late to do that?) – Joseph Sible-Reinstate Monica Mar 11 at 2:04
  • @JosephSible-ReinstateMonica -- two-pole DFCIs, sadly, aren't a thing – ThreePhaseEel Mar 11 at 2:49
  • You would seem to be right. I originally searched for them and saw this one at the top of the search results, but upon closer examination (i.e., looking at the page and not just reading the title), it appears to actually be a 1-pole breaker that Lowe's is incorrectly calling 2-pole. – Joseph Sible-Reinstate Monica Mar 11 at 3:03
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No, combining the ground will not render the GFCI useless. Just imagine for a minute any metal j-box, or any metal stud construction building, all those grounds become interconnected through the yokes of the receptacles.

A GFCI receptacle doesn't use the ground to function, it is required to be grounded if a ground is present, but notice if you look at the GFCI installation instructions usually around step 7 says to Connect the grounding wire (only if there is a grounding wire).

A GFCI receptacle trips when the magnetic field on the hot and neutral don't cancel each other. The test button on the receptacle just allows about 5mA of current to bypass the sensor on one of the wires allowing a magnetic field to be present in the current sensor. Sometimes two-wire circuits cause some confusion when using a receptacle tester, the tool does need a ground to function, a Caution in user instructions of some of the testers points out that a false fail will result.

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  • A single receptacle on a circuit cannot be protected at higher than the rating of the circuit. A duplex is not a single receptacle. A Duplex does technically make it a shared circuit, which could limit your fixed-in-place appliances to 50% of the circuit rating. Using a 20A GFCI duplex receptacle doesn't really rectify the problem, but when I asked an inspector he just said a 15A duplex GFCI is a 20A device. I didn't ask how that satisfied the fixed-in-place limit, but I went with the interpretation of the AHJ, and let it go. – NoSparksPlease Mar 10 at 16:49

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