I am planning to redo our front steps in stone and my plan is to essentially have two stone walls on each side of the steps coming down from the entrance. For appearances it would be definitely ideal to keep these walls completely vertical for the aesthetic, but I am worried that the weight of the compacted gravel under the steps will be too much of a force pushing on the wall. PLUS, since were up in Canada, I'm concerned that water that inevitably gets into the gravel will push those walls outwards when it freezes. Is there anything I can do to keep it vertical or is that a pipe dream? Thanks for your help!

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    Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. How tall would these walls be? Would you add a diagram? And, you should probably take our tour so you'll know how best to participate here. – Daniel Griscom Feb 17 '20 at 3:37
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    How long and wide are the steps, and what material will the treads be? Concrete block as a core could be more stable, and would avoid freeze/thaw expansion causing cracks. – Tim B Feb 17 '20 at 13:24
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    A true retaining wall requires a footing. Do you have a footing. How big? How much rebar...size and spacing? If no footing, expect the wall to move and crack. (Depending on the size of the steps and height of wall, there is a way to support each other.) – Lee Sam Feb 17 '20 at 22:05

I have built many vertical retaining walls. Drainage is the first concern then the height. Code may require rails over several feet (in my area 3' is the max). You did not specify the number of steps or the rise (if more than 3' even with drainage usually reinforcements are required). With some walls this is drilled holes that are pinned together. Some are mortar.

So yes you can go vertical but more information is needed on the height and conditions to give a specific recommendation.


if the walls are close to the steps they could support the treads directly. the steps could be hollow underneath instead of gravel fill.

alternatively mix some cement with that gravel fill it'll stand up on its own then.


Drainage will keep the water away from the backside. Vertical concrete walls are common but require reinforcing (due to tension forces) and an adequate footing that resists both overturning and sliding. Typically, non-reinforced walls, like the rock wall that you want to do, are often sloped slightly backward. They resist the soil simply through dead weight and gravity. If you want to be sure, consult a structural engineer.

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