I've posted this issue elsewhere and maybe because it's so boring nobody wants to expend the energy on it (which is fine!) but for me the motivation is 50/50 safety and learning more about electronics and circuits.

So here's the background: I was recently asked to replace a dryer at one of the properties I do maintenance work at, and the owner had bought a used dryer for cheap that we understood to be in working order. Upon putting it in, it became apparent the heating element was bad. Since it was important to get it fixed ASAP I made the decision to salvage the element from the old dryer (both Whirlpools and nearly identical in construction). I found out the hard way why this is a bad idea with a 3-wire setup, as neutral is bonded to the chassis of the dryer.

After an hour of use, the property called me to report that now the drum wasn't working, but the element was staying on and the dryer was hot. I asked them to immediately unplug it, something I discovered was also potentially hazardous because they had to come in to contact with the dryer. I have since labeled the circuit breaker the dryer runs on, a split phase 120/240 30 amp breaker, and instructed all staff to instead open the breaker instead of getting near any appliances that are not operating normally.

I immediately suspected the old element I had taken out had deformed inside the housing it was in, creating a short to ground (which again, ties to neutral), as it would stay on only when the timer and temp circuit contacts closed. This caused the case to overheat to the point of opening the thermal fuse on the blower housing which also allows the drive motor to run. A continuity check from the element terminals to the housing confirmed the issue, and I disconnected it (how the thermal cutoff didn't open is beyond me, as it appears to have been undamaged and still passes continuity check, though I know that doesn't mean it might not be bad still). Ordered new parts, fuse etc. Works perfectly since having replaced them.

What bothers me, is that this ground fault did not at any point open the breaker. After testing the resistance of the new heater as well as its operating voltage, I got about 10.9 Ohms across the element running at 244 volts. The derived amperage here is in-like with the specification of 23 amps. However, the element at the time of the ground fault (it similarly measured 10.3 Ohms when I continuity checked it) was getting supplied through the 120 volt leg, which would give me roughly 12 amps passing through it. I am guessing as this outlet had no ground, the breaker treated it as though it were normal circuit operation, which means the case was in turn energized as well.

In the dryer, I have identified three separate ground to neutral bonding straps, each drilled to different parts of the chassis which feed through the wiring harness and show continuity to the neutral terminal.

If I unlinked them from the harness and instead added a single ground circuit connecting the different compartments of the chassis in series, behind a diode, and latching relays, which then went to the neutral and one phase, would this work to effectively interrupt the circuit in the event of another ground fault condition? I know there are much simpler ways to address the issue, but installing new outlets and running a ground wire is not an option, unless it were to be one hanging outside of the breaker box (which would be a big no-no, especially with annual inspections happening within the next week).

I've also heard some electricians suggest simply unbonding the ground, but this seems like a bad idea since in the event of another short, the current might find a separate path to ground in the environment (or short to another component, causing further havoc).

For reference, I have a picture of the wiring diagram hereDiagram of Whirlpool LE5720XSW0

Update: https://i.stack.imgur.com/2nfji.jpg here are additional images of the breaker panel (lower left breaker services the dryer), had to upload to my Imgur separately. In the picture with the open dryer top panel, the three red circles are the case to neutral bonding points I found. The image of the outlet is a bit concerning, as that bare lead poking out is not a ground, but appears to be a neutral conductor (upon closer inspection, I could see the white insulation). The image of the heating element housing has a red circle showing approximately where the old element shorted relative to the inside of the element housing.

  • it appears that you are describing a short circuit between hot and neutral/ground , not a ground fault
    – jsotola
    Dec 26, 2019 at 21:25
  • This question seems to be about an electrical supply system mostly used in North America but the location is not mentioned in the question or user profile. The site its international. Can you clarify in your question?
    – Transistor
    Dec 26, 2019 at 21:28
  • you may get more people reading your post if you write a simple, to the point question instead of a novel ... something like, "i have a 220 V dryer, here is a schematic, the element touched the cabinet but the breaker did not activate ...." etc.
    – jsotola
    Dec 26, 2019 at 21:36
  • @jsotola yes, that's true! I keep forgetting there isn't an actual ground here. e: and yes I am in North America. Dec 26, 2019 at 21:44
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    What model is the dryer in question? It sounds like it's so old that it predates the ability to convert it for 4-prong usage, which translates to "dangerously obsolete" in my book... Dec 26, 2019 at 22:27

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These are just my thoughts and don't believe anything I say without someone else confirming it.

I thought the neutral was not supposed to bonded to ground inside the machine? To prevent the ground from carrying normal operating currents while causing it so that if a live wire got loose and touched the equipment case, the live wire would be shorted to ground. Because a neutral does not necessarily have to be at ground voltage when operating; It may be at voltages other than GND due to voltage drops caused by carrying current.

Breakers in a wall are sized to protect the wiring from melting down and flaming up, not necessarily to protect the device from lighting flaming up so if short occurs in such a way that the current is not high enough, the breaker won't trip. The people building the house can't predict what load will be installed so they size it to protect the panel and wiring. If you want to protect the device itself then you need another breaker downstream sized specifically for the device in question.

I am guessing as this outlet had no ground, the breaker treated it as though it were normal circuit operation, which means the case was in turn energized as well.

I don't think your typical housebreaker monitors Ground either, or even the neutral. I think it just monitors the hot wire. What I'm trying to say is, I don't think the breaker would behave very differently if the outlet did or did not have a ground.

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    Well, the outlet in this case is a 3 prong. 2 120-volt lines phase shifted 180° to give a 240 volt connection between them, and then a single neutral which functions as both a ground connection and a return path to the breaker for 120 volt usage (in the diagram, the timer motor, drive motor, temp switch etc are all supplied by a 120 volt leg which terminates at neutral). As for interference of normal operation, you would think this would be the case, but the neutral connection is only utilized by the 120 volt leg of the circuit. Because of the short, the case became the neutral return path. Dec 26, 2019 at 21:06
  • @Netflixandkrill Oh, so this isn't a 3-prong plug with a dedicated GND prong?
    – DKNguyen
    Dec 26, 2019 at 21:07
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    No, no dedicated ground. The NEC allows for the 3-prong plugs in older constructions provided the manufacturer installs straps bonding the case to the neutral. Dec 26, 2019 at 21:11
  • @Netflixandkrill Even so, I don't see how debonding neutral and ground would make the breaker trip any easier. What lines run through the breaker?
    – DKNguyen
    Dec 26, 2019 at 21:12
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    @DKNguyen I've done a lot with 3-prong and the case is grounded in order to cause the breaker to flip (the breaker will actually be two breakers strapped together so that if one flips, they both flip) if H1 or H2 falls loose and touches the housing (which would otherwise be very bad.) Lots of these devices also use one side (H1 or H2) and neutral to power 120 VAC devices which are cheaper and work fine off of 120 VAC. (Like the timer mechanism.)
    – jonk
    Dec 26, 2019 at 21:24

Here's how things work (and break) in pre-1989 wiring

3-wire dryers were connected hot-hot-neutral in the age before grounds. are still allowed to continue in service if they were wired that way prior to 1989(?)

They are supposed to have their chassis bonded to neutral, because the prevailing thought was that this is an expeditious way to ground, and THAT THING is unlikely to happen since these appliances are rarely moved or plugged in. "THAT THING" is a lost neutral, where the 2 hots are connected but not the neutral.

The lost neutral is commonly seen on whole house services, where it puts the 120V loads on one pole in a tug-of-war with the 120V loads on the other. Giving one pole a too-high voltage and the other too-low. Of course, on a dryer, all the 120V loads are on one pole. So neutral immediately snaps over to that pole, making it 120V from ground.

You see where this is going. If neutral is lost, the entire chassis lights up at 120V.

Also, the timer and motor will lose power, which will make the dryer seem broken.

How to detect it

What you want to build already exists as a commercial product. It is called a GFCI Breaker, 2-pole in this case. They price about $80.

If you have an FPE, Zinsco, Pushmatic, Crouse Hinds or other obsolete panel, or if you just want to save a couple of bucks, you can use a "hot tub subpanel" instead; it may have a 50A or 60A GFCI breaker, but we don't care about the current trip value.

Then, forward feed through it to a 4-wire socket with ground intentionally not wired. Convert the dryer to 4-wire connection, which means removing the ground strap according to the dryer instruction book.

Finally, you stick labels on this 4-wire socket saying "GFCI Protected. No Equipment Ground".

Done and dusted. You are safe and Code legal.

The other way to cure the safety problem

Retrofit a ground wire for real. Change the socket, plug and jumper to 4-wire, as above. But do not apply the labels obviously!

NEC 2014 gives you a free hand to retrofit grounds to almost any circuit, following some simple rules.

Your neutral is still broken, though

The above will only make the dryer safe. It will do nothing to make the dryer work. The neutral wire is broken, 98% chance at the breaker panel or socket.

Though, gosh, it would be a terrible shame if the cable were broken enroute. Then you'd have to replace the entire cable with a 4-wire cable (10/3), and Code would require a 4-pin socket, plug and rejumpering.

Your questions

What bothers me, is that this ground fault did not at any point open the breaker.

Because a breaker is not a magic detector-all. The ground fault didn't trip the breaker because plain breakers only look for overcurrent. There was not >>30A on L1, and was not >>30A on L2, so the breaker approved.

... unless you pay $70 extra for a breaker that does, in fact, detect ground faults. That one works as you expect.

For an additional $10 you can get a breaker+GFCI+AFCI, which also detects arcing.

I have identified three separate ground to neutral bonding straps.

Very unusual. There should be only one neutral-ground strap. The others may be ground-ground straps. Follow the published instructions for removing the ground strap.

I know there are much simpler ways to address the issue, but installing new outlets and running a ground wire is not an option

Whisper to the tenant to report the dryer shock incidents to the AHJ. The AHJ will then explain to the landlord in no uncertain terms, exactly what is, and is not, an option.

AHJ = Authority Having Jurisdiction, i.e. local permit issuer and code inspector.

unless it were to be one hanging outside of the breaker box (which would be a big no-no, especially with annual inspections happening within the next week).

Surely you don't mean Code legal repairs are a big no-no with inspections coming? Everything I propose above is Code legal (though I can't vouch for whether the AHJ would insist on a permit being pulled... generally for a safety fix, I would think not).

  • BTW: I wouldn't put Crouse-Hinds on your list of obsolete panels (they're squarely in the Murray lineage, so they accept modern Siemens/Murray breakers) Dec 27, 2019 at 15:50
  • Also, arc fault functionality isn't available in 30A breakers (sadly) Dec 27, 2019 at 15:56
  • "Very unusual. There should be only one neutral-ground strap. The others may be ground-ground straps. Follow the published instructions for removing the ground strap." Gah, StackExchange is not very mobile friendly. So, the problem with getting to these other bonding straps is that they seem to be connected inside the wire harness to neutral, so I am thinking it might be prudent to take the post connectors off where they're anchored and maybe cap or tape them...? I'd think even liquid electrical tape could suffice here. Dec 27, 2019 at 16:08
  • ...as for the rest, in terms of replacing outlets and the like, while I have done a lot of retooling on the outlets at the houses, my work on the breakers has been minimal, and running wire from the panel to a new outlet is likely not a possibility at the moment. If the conduit housing the wire were fully exposed from the panel to the outlet it might be more feasible, but as of now it seems adding a ground wire even is not an option. I have to emphasize -- the properties I maintain, due to their nature, are strictly monitored by health inspectors. Therefore, no corners may be cut. Dec 27, 2019 at 16:16
  • @netflix my line of thinking is they are not hidden bonding straps, because UL would never list a dryer with ground straps in the wrong places. Something about your measurement method maybe? The only thing I can recommend is restore it to the way you found it, then, download the instructions on a desktop PC if need be, and follow those. You are not allowed to freestyle stuff like this: NEC 110.3b. Dec 27, 2019 at 16:24

Everything is good now, barring some serious electrical f-up back at the breaker box's neutral bar. The bare lead was indeed a ground, which I couldn't discern without removing the old outlet. Continuity from neutral to the bare copper checked out, I wired a 240 volt grounded outlet (an NEMA 14-30R type) in its place, replaced the cord on the dryer with a matching 30 amp 4-wire cord and most importantly attached the ground from the cord, clipped off and capped the old neutral bonding link, and checked all ground connections inside the dryer to make sure none were by any chance connected to the neutral terminal, and that all were connected to the cable's ground. For extra safety, I also checked for shorts inside the socket, and checked to make sure there was no current on the case.

No need for any kind of wacky DIY circuit interrupter after all.

Double edit: I forgot my manners, thank you all for your help! :)

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    Whew! Glad you were able to get this dryer back going. Note that the instructions should have provided a landing point for the bonding link; what you did means that this dryer cannot be converted back to 3-prong by the next owner without some difficulty. Dec 29, 2019 at 2:02
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    Yeah, I can see that. I don't anticipate the dryer will have any new owners in its lifetime, though, and if we do sell it I'll make sure there's a new ring connector on the bonding strap as well as a note explaining where to connect it. Dec 29, 2019 at 2:08

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