I have two switches on the wall that used to be for a ceiling fan to control a light and fan separately. The fan was removed at some point and replaced with a light. When that was done the wires for one of the switches were cut back into the wall and not being used, so one of the switches on the wall doesn’t do anything.

Now we want to replace the light with a new Hunter 59244 fan with a remote. I have a black wire, red wire, and white wire. No ground. Can this be done or does that other switch that wasn’t being used need to come back into play somehow?enter image description here

  • with one switch you can choose light and breezy or dark and still, if you want the options of dark and breezy and light and still you'll need a second switch, possibly a fan that has a pull chain could work here, – Jasen Dec 8 '19 at 1:00
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    Can you post photos of the inside of the fan and switch boxes please? – ThreePhaseEel Dec 8 '19 at 1:16
  • I couldn’t get the remote to work at all. I’ll post pics tomorrow. Thanks. – Hendoc3 Dec 8 '19 at 1:22
  • Model # of the new fan and remote? – manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact Dec 8 '19 at 2:24
  • Hunter ceiling fan model number 59244 – Hendoc3 Dec 8 '19 at 2:45

The answers are (a bit confusingly...) in the Installation Manual

According to page 5 (6th page in PDF but 5 at the bottom corner), the fan has:

  • Grounding wire (what we usually call "ground") - all grounds go together
  • White wire which connects to Grounded (which is what we usually call "neutral") white wire
  • Black - Hot
  • Blue or Black with white stripe - Hot

The grounds go together. The white/neutrals go together - including fan, receiver and ceiling The two hot wires from the fan go to the receiver The black wire from the receiver goes to the switched hot wire from the ceiling

So it is (a) poor design - the receiver should be prewired/installed, but oops that might cost the manufacturer and extra 50 cents and (b) they should be consistent in their wire colors (not "blue or possibly black with white stripe") and (c) should use (or at least include) the more common terminology. Ugh. But I digress.

Now on to your switch:

I have a black wire, red wire, and white wire. No ground.

That sounds like a typical /3 cable, except that you should also have a bare ground wire. See if it is stuffed in the back of the box.

But here is the fun part: The design of this is to always leave the switch on and install the remote holder on top of the switch - see page 8 "Using the Remote Cradle". That is actually a pretty good idea, except again for terminology (this is really "Installing", not "Using") and they don't make it terribly clear that the switch behind the cradle is to be left on all the time.

End result with your switch. You have two very different possibilities:

  • /3 for one switch

This should be:

  • Black = Hot (from the breaker)
  • Red = Switched Hot (to the fan)
  • White = Neutral (to the fan & breaker - but not needed in the switch - cap it with a wire nut and a piece of tape to make sure it stays on)

In which case, just connect black & red to the switch and you are done.

  • /3 for two switches

This is if you have an older setup without neutral in the switch box and using a switch loop. * White = Hot Normally white is neutral, this is the exception. And it should be marked to show it is actually hot. But it usually isn't marked. * Black = Switched Hot * Red = Switched Hot

In this case, you need to figure out which of the switched hots (black or red) goes to the fan. Connect that wire and the white wire to the switch and you are done.

  • So I can now control the light with remote but but not the fan. The fan is on and running – Hendoc3 Dec 8 '19 at 17:13
  • Sounds like one of the wires from the fan to the remote is in the wrong position. – manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact Dec 8 '19 at 17:17
  • I got blue to blue and yellow to black as it states – Hendoc3 Dec 8 '19 at 17:27
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    It appears that way but blue to blue and black to yellow is how it is connected – Hendoc3 Dec 8 '19 at 19:02
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    That’s what I figured and I paired it a few times and no luck. Electrician is coming tomorrow anyway so I’ll have him take a look at it. – Hendoc3 Dec 8 '19 at 19:17

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