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I have two breaker "panels", one is a 200 amp panel for everything in the house, and a separate one (with a different meter) that is just for my electric cold water heater, right next to the other panel, with two 15 amp breakers on it (240v). Now obviously I want to have hot water when the power goes out, but I want to know if I can use the same transfer switch on both panels?

I am guessing no, since I am not hooked up to the same neutral and ground in that electric hot water heater breaker panel.

If I can't, does anyone know why someone would put a separate panel JUST for a water heater? We just moved in this summer, the house is only 15 or so years old too, and it looks like it was done at the time of building the house. Also the breaker panels are in the basement along with the water heater.

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    Can you post photos of the panels involved?
    – ThreePhaseEel
    Jan 26, 2019 at 22:16
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    “With a different meter” in my part of the world, the most likely reason this would be done is to charge a different rate for consumption. In my area it was once done in “all electric” homes to charge a lower rate specifically for heating. (They don’t do it that way anymore here, but there are legacy accounts where it still exists.) check your billing and see if the rate Kw/hr is the same.
    – Tyson
    Jan 26, 2019 at 23:12
  • Who is your electric utility?
    – ThreePhaseEel
    Jan 27, 2019 at 0:16
  • Add a second transfer switch for just the boiler (between boiler meter, boiler and generator). Anyway my suggestion is to switch to gas for water heating if you live in an area where blackouts are frequent. This also because boilers are energy hogs and you'll have to almost double your generator to run hot water.
    – DDS
    Oct 24, 2019 at 14:57

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Your guess is correct. You will not be able to use a single transfer switch in one of the panels to isolate your generator for both panels.

The solution may be to discontinue the use of the water heater specific panel and re-wire the water heater into the main panel. Then the single transfer switch in the main panel would work out nicely.

Keep in mind that there may be reasons why you would not be able to re-wire the water heater or why it was wired to a second panel in the first place:

  1. The main panel may have already been over subscribed for a 200A service and installing a second panel was the overall cheapest solution.
  2. The second panel may have been there to allow separate power usage monitoring for the water heater. This could have been done to share some electrical costs with a roommate that was living with and renting from a previous owner.
  3. The main panel may have already been full of circuit breakers and the second panel was one way to be able to add an electric water heater at one time possibly replacing a natural gas fired heater.
  4. You may not have room in the main panel to add the two pairs of additional dual 240V breakers, one for your water heater and the other for your transfer switch back feed breaker.
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  • Thank you for confirming my suspicions, and the explanations!
    – Brett Hicklin
    Jan 26, 2019 at 23:16
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Edit:

After looking at this further, I think it should be done a different way.

First, get rid of the octopus for reasons I describe below. This is a nice, modern panel for which interlocks should be available. Get a generator interlock which interlocks between the main breaker in your panel, and a breaker in the top row. This top row breaker backfeeds to the generator. At this point you are throwing your entire main panel from utility to generator. No need for the $350 octopus, and the interlock will probably be in the $75 range plus a 30? amp breaker for the generator. This will allow you run any load in the house on the generator, as long as you keep loadings modest.

Now, what to do about the water heater? First, contact the power company and talk about your tariffs. If the special tariff from the separate meter is not useful to you, you have enough cable length there to simply relocate the water heater into the main panel; done and dusted.

Otherwise, I want you to change the water heater panel to a 4-space "QO" panel, with their QO2DTI generator interlock. (Yes, another generator interlock; however this isn't for a generator, it allows you to power the water heater from EITHER the main panel OR the special utility meter. The feed lugs in the panel go to the water heater. One breaker backfeeds the special meter power supply. The other breaker backfeeds from a new 15A breaker in your main panel.

Normally, the main panel interlock is on "utility", and the water heater interlock is on "special meter". During a power outage, you flip the main panel interlock to "generator" and the water-heater interlock to "main panel". You should switch off all your automatically controlled loads first, so the generator isn't slammed with a bunch of load the instant you turn it on.

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Transfer switches are hokey, substandard, and stupid expensive. Exploit the fact that you have a water heater subpanel, to expand that subpanel out into a generator subpanel. You'll save a ton and have top tier equipment.

I gather the water heater panel is a small one? You want to find a larger panel with enough room for 4 spaces just for a generator interlock kit. Here is one of my favorites, it is $25 and is made for a Siemens panel, and you can get a good sized Siemens main-lug panel for under $100. Other brands have similar things, don't mix panel and breaker brands. That's way cheaper than those hokey transfer switches.

One breaker feeds from your main panel, the other from your genny. Both breakers can't be on at once.

Now you simply relocate any circuits you want on generator to this subpanel. Instead of a measly six, you can have 18, 26 or even 38 circuits, depending on how big a subpanel you got. (you lose 4 breaker spaces to the interlock).

The wiring is simple and straightforward. It supports individual circuit GFCI and AFCI in both modes, since those are downline of the interlock. If you have GFCI on the generator, it is too small for your usage but you need a different interlock for that.

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    I think he has two main panels because he's on a weird two-rate setup....
    – ThreePhaseEel
    Jan 26, 2019 at 23:16
  • Thank you for the information! I will look into it!
    – Brett Hicklin
    Jan 26, 2019 at 23:16

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