How do you reduce the sound transmission through a floor? Using "green glue" between a couple layers of plywood subfloor seems to work well. Are there any other tricks or suggestions?
Recording studios have to solve this problem all the time. You may find good information by hunting under that aegis.
One thing to take note is that transmission of high frequency and low frequency have very different solutions. High frequency it's mostly a matter of stopping the air motion; since you're taking about floors, you want to damp out low freq:
Large mass helps by converting vibrations to lower (subsonic, inaudible) frequencies. The extra layer of subfloor you added is extra mass. The canonical solution to blocking lowfreq is a big bookcase full of heavy books; think about that on its side.
Physical isolation with a sound-dampening substance also helps--reducing the amplitude of the transmitted vibration. For example, rigid foam strapping over the joists before nailing the subfloor down might assist with the noise transmission through the wood. This sounds like your 'joist isolators'. Or a thick pad under a carpet (if there is a carpet).
Ironically by tying your subfloor tightly to the joists, you have increased sound transmission.
Spoiling the emittance of the listening side also helps. The ceiling of the floor below is acting as a big, taut speaker, magnifying sounds from above. This is what QuietRock does--it absorbs energy as it flexes, turning it to heat instead of sound. Putting irregular structure behind the wall might help alter its resonance, prevent booming noises from transmitting.
Sound diffusers help break up the sound. Because the sound you are creating is things like footsteps, this is harder to do--but be aware that the upper level can be amplifying the sounds by aiming them at the floor (think of the extreme case of a dome, which will reflect noise straight back at the floor). Acoustic tile in the upstairs room might help with high freq reduction, or baffles in the corners--or just more bookcases and sofas upstairs.
You can also add diffusers to the downstairs room, but you run the risk of making it sound 'dead' or making it quiet enough the muffled noise from upstairs becomes more annoying. ;)
Hope this works out!
Here's what we've done so far. I'm curious whether there may be better techniques...
- R-19 batts between joists to reduce noise transmission through air
- liquid nails on top of joists to reduce squeeking subfloor
- first layer of 1/2 inch plywood
- "green glue", a gummy substance to reduce foot fall noise transmission
- second layer of 1/2 inch plywood
- rosin paper
- hardwood planks
Actually we haven't installed the hardwood floor yet but we tried walking around on the subfloor and talking in fairly loud voices and neither could be heard in the floor below. Adding another layer of wood should only help.
One option that we skipped is to use joist isolators which are pads that go between the joists and the subfloor.
I've been told that there are three principles at play when trying to reduce sound transmission:
- the denser the floor the better (ie concrete is better than wood)
- the thicker the floor the better (ie 3 inches of wood is better than 1)
- the fewer (and softer?) the points of contact between floor and ceiling the better (eg green glue and joist isolators)
The first two are pretty clear. One example of the third is if the ceiling below is dropped and does not use the joists above for support. Instead the ceiling uses only the walls on either side, and ideally the wall studs aren't connected to the joists either.
I see several specialized products to mitigate sound transmission mentioned on HGTV almost daily.
One of them is always used above basement apartments by the contractor on the show Income Property. It connects to the joists and isolates the drywall below so it's only connected to them through a few screws. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what it's called, but Kinetics IsoMax looks like it may be the product they use. If not, it's similar.