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All of the gfci outlets in the house are daisy chained and they all have the same problem. They will trip randomly more than one time a day, actually it has gotten worse recently and it is several times a day for all gfci circuits. There is not one set of circumstance that cause them to trip. Plugging something in will cause it to trip. Other times nothing is plugged into any of the plugs on the circuit and I hear the pop when it trips. Could they have used the wrong amperage 15 instead of 20? I haven’t tested this yet, but it seems like they don’t trip when something is plugged in and being used. One stand alone gfci for the wate3r softener doesn’t trip.

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    What all outlets are we talking about here? I take it that there's only one GFCI protecting this chain as well, right? – ThreePhaseEel Dec 11 '17 at 1:33
  • What do you mean by "daisy chained"? When there's a GFCI outlet in the circuit, what is the next thing in the circuit? – Harper Dec 11 '17 at 4:05
  • Harper; One gfci followed by 3, 4 or 5 regular outlets wired in sequence. – Geo Dec 11 '17 at 4:32
  • ThreePhaseEel, yes, one gfci protecting a “group” of outlets. For instance all of the bathrooms are linked to the guest bathroom, all of the outside patio outlets are linked to a gfci in the garage and kitchen outlets are linked to two separate gfci outlets in the kitchen, half on one and half on the other. – Geo Dec 11 '17 at 4:38
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First replace the GFCI that is randomly tripping with a brand new GFCI and see if that fixes the problem.

Replacing your old GFCI with a new 15A one with 20A feed-through capacity can help you narrow down the problem. Your 15A circuit breaker will now trip before the GFCI will if you draw more than 15A. GFCIs do not intentionally protect against overcurrent, but sometimes overcurrent makes them trip. Make sure your new GFCI only has a 15A outlet on it, the 20A feed-through is just the rating for the devices daisy chained off of it. If your circuit breaker starts tripping then we know it is an overcurrent problem and you need to take some items off of that circut.

If the circuit trips again, make note of all the items that stop working. There are two common situations where a GFCI will trip: overcurrent and ground fault. It can be hard to tell which of these two common problems is the one you're experiencing.

The typical items that will cause a GFCI to randomly trip are computers, laser printers, refrigerators/freezers, clothes washing machines, microwaves, clothes dryers, and dishwashers. If any of these items are on this circuit, then we have to rule it out as the cause by unplugging it or plugging it into another circuit. Anything that's not on the GFCI circuit when it trips can be ruled out as not being the cause of your problem.

There are also user attachable GFCIs that you can purchase to help narrow down which device is causing a ground fault to trip the GFCI. This User attachable 15A GFCI can be added to a device and will only trip if the device connected to it has a ground fault condition, so it might be helpful to use this. When the main GFCI trips again, then attach this device to another item until you've tried it on all your items on that circuit. Whichever item trips this device will be the one with the ground fault. There is a small chance that your main GFCI is more sensitive than this, and it won't trip before the main GFCI trips and not help you narrow it down. The nice part about these is they can be reused on your next outdoor project to add GFCI protection to your extension cords/power tools when working out in the elements.

Once you figure out which item is causing the problem: If the item that is causing the GFCI to trip doesn't need to be on a GFCI circuit by code, then plug it into an unprotected circuit. If the item that is causing the GFCI to trip actually needs to be on a GFCI circuit by code, then you'll need to repair or replace that item. For example, it's not okay to power your clothes washing machine on an unprotected circuit just because it's tripping the circuit. The GFCI is preventing you from getting hurt from an electrical problem that needs to be fixed in that item.

To answer one of your questions, yes it's possible someone installed a 15A GFCI on a 20A circuit, but it's not ok to replace it with a new 20A one unless you absolutely know 100% you have 20A wiring in the wall. It's against code and a fire hazard to change it to 20A without knowing. Just having the 20A breaker in the panel isn't enough proof.

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    By "not OK to use a 20A GFCI" Jeff means don't use GFCIs that have a T-shaped neutral (Mr. Winky) instead of just 2 vertical slots (Mr. Horror). You can and should use GFCIs that have Mr Horror faces but are rated 20A internally. – Harper Dec 11 '17 at 20:59
  • Jeff, thank you for the in depth troubleshooting advice. I will pull the gfci to see if it a pass through for 20 amp. As for testing each appliance, I will do that as well if the outlets are pass through. The one thing that is a mystery is that a gfci will trip that doesn’t have anything plugged into any of the outlets that are wired to that particular gfci. If I replace every outlet with a gfci if one of the gfci trips will it affect the other outlets? – Geo Dec 12 '17 at 23:54
  • Harper, I love the way to remember which is 20 amp vs 15 amp. Classic, Mr. Winky and Mr Horror. Reminds me of the hint we used in school to tell the difference between desert and dessert. Dessert is spelled with two s because you always want more dessert and not so for wanting more desert. – Geo Dec 12 '17 at 23:58
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When I see "random tripping" I think "nuisance tripping". The easiest way to fix this is to remove the daisy chain receptacles off of the feed through GFCI and replace each one with a individual GFCI receptacle. Don't forget you still have a problem but now you can isolate it to one particular point and that will help you in your troubleshooting.

Some may comment that it's expensive but a contractor always measures time over material and whether replacing the receptacles will cost more than the hours you will be charged trying to find a "random" trip.

Hope this helps good luck.

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