I'm installing a large antenna on the side of my house opposite the electrical service entrance. The antenna must be grounded, by nature of its design. For lightning protection, it's important that the radios connected to the antenna have a single point ground.

Where the antenna feedline enters the house, it does so though a copper bulkhead, attached to a system of three ground rods by 2.5" copper strap.

If I naively plug the radio into the wall, I have this situation:

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The problem here is with a nearby strike there will be a large voltage gradient between the two grounds. That voltage appears across the radio, and things go boom.

In professional installations the building is designed so the electrical service and the antenna feedline enter at the same point. Unfortunately that's not really an option for me: the electrical service enters at the opposite side of the house.

What I'd like to do is install an outdoor subpanel at that single point ground such that every wire going to the radio is grounded at just one point. This way there can exist no voltage across the radio.

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I've ordered a QO2175SB Surgebreaker surge protective device along with an outdoor box for it to go in. The radio equipment isn't anything huge, and so doesn't require an additional circuit besides the wall outlet that's already there.

I'm a bit unclear how to install the subpanel in a way which both protects the radio and is safe and code compliant. I've read ground and neutral should not be connected at a subpanel. However, if neutral is not connected to ground at the subpanel, what's limiting the surge voltage on neutral relative to ground? Sure there's the wire bonding the two grounds, but with a fast current pulse like lightning the inductance of that connection renders it ineffective.

  • How big a load is this radio? Locally grounding a subpanel is sheer madness, but there are alternatives. Aug 7, 2017 at 1:15
  • @Harper 5 amps, maybe? Not much at all. The subpanel is just there for lightning protection.
    – Phil Frost
    Aug 7, 2017 at 1:19
  • As a sidenote, what type of grounding electrode does your house have? Aug 8, 2017 at 4:33
  • @ThreePhaseEel Copper or copper clad ground rod, though how long I couldn't tell you. I've never had it tested. After I get this antenna system in, there will be 8' ground rods every 20' or so from there to the feedline entrance on the other side of the house, all connected by 6 AWG wire.
    – Phil Frost
    Aug 8, 2017 at 13:37

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This is why surge protectors have N-G protection

Decent surge protectors not only protect against surges on the hot wire(s) relative to the neutral wire, they also protect against surges on hot and neutral relative to the equipment grounding and bonding system (in other words, ground). The surge voltage between neutral and ground will get clamped by the MOV(s) between neutral and ground inside the surge protector to around a few hundred volts, which won't hurt much provided the radio's power supply is properly designed.

However, yours does not appear to do that -- instead it appears that it is designed solely for a main panel application where neutral and ground are one and the same. In your case, you should look for a surge protective device (Eaton has the CH2SPTULTRA which will do the job) which has separate neutral and ground connections.

Needless to say, you should also install a surge protective device on the antenna feedline itself.

  • So it's not clear from the pictures I've seen, but this must somehow connect to hot, neutral, and ground separately?
    – Phil Frost
    Aug 7, 2017 at 1:14
  • Thanks for the product recommendation. Looks like SPDs with N-G protection are in the minority, but now that I've found some it makes a lot more sense.
    – Phil Frost
    Aug 7, 2017 at 19:24

This gets rather complicated rather fast, because the requirements of the electrical code partially contradict the practical requirements of radio. Worse, finding someone able to do it properly (or approve it) requires someone experienced in both fields at once - such people are few and far between. Fortunately there's a way to do an end-run around the entire problem.

Use a separately derived service

Since you're already bought into installing a subpanel, you are most of the way there.

Install a supply transformer which has the side-effect of fully isolating the supply from your panel. This causes the new panel to become a main panel rather than a sub-panel. You will need to upgrade the antenna's grounding system to fully satisfy the Electrical code for mains power installations. Since it is a main panel, neutral must be bonded to ground here. You have accomplished what you want.

This arrangement greatly simplifies things. Electrical people will understand what this is - separately derived service is unusual, but not that unusual - and a bit simpler than the complex isolated-ground rules. A future electrician working on this system is not likely to botch it up.

The transformer

This is isolated from your house's regular power system. This is accomplished by using a transformer whose primary is isolated from its secondary, which is most ordinary transformers.

Common sizes of transformer are 1.5 KVA and 5 KVA (a VA is similar to a watt, so 1.5KW or 5 KW - 12.5 amps or 41 amps at 120V.)

Most readily available transformers are configurable for 240V or 480V on the primary, and 120V, 240V or 120/240V on the secondary. You would supply it with 240V from your main panel.

You can also obtain isolation transformers of various sizes, which may be 120V on each side.

The main issue is whether the voltage surge of the lightning strike break down the insulation in the isolation transformer. In this case, there could be unpredictable results. There's no requirement to connect the grounding systems to each other, but a heavy ground connection would help to reduce this voltage difference. Realistically you cannot put enough copper ground wire down to carry the ampacity of a lightning strike.

  • A bit costlier than a few MOVs, but perhaps a more permanent approach -- and if someone does flip out over it, that's what grabbing a Codebook and the inspector's supervisor's phone number are for :) Aug 8, 2017 at 4:31
  • I see used 5 KVA transformers on Craigslist from time to time for $100. Aug 8, 2017 at 5:09
  • :) yeah, that's not a bad price (just a minor pain in the arse to wrestle into one's trunk) Aug 8, 2017 at 11:35
  • This sounds like a really solid solution but getting expensive :( I was going to bring the circuit that powers the radios outside into a non-fused disconnect box ($5) at the ground plate, and connect an SPD with N-G protection ($65) there, then run it back to the inside wall to an outlet. Shouldn't be much different than an ordinary surge plug strip, but with the MOV right at the ground point for better protection. Unless there's a reason that's unsafe?
    – Phil Frost
    Aug 8, 2017 at 15:26
  • @PhilFrost Only you know the value of your radio and antenna. I was presuming your concern was a lightning direct hit to the antenna, effectively arrested by lightning arrestor on the antenna, but still creating a multi-thousand volt 10+KA surge on the grounding system. I would not trust any human technique to suppress that surge, hence my approach to ride over it. Aug 8, 2017 at 16:47

This is why grounding can get complicated. Let's start with your antenna. The three rod attachment is principally there for lighting protection. It is designed for rapid disbursement into the ground upon a strike on the antenna allowing less damage to the equipment. The bond is proper procedure. The radio ground should not be attached to the antenna ground it should be fed back as the green or bare wire to the main panel with the power circuit. If you install a subpanel the neutral bus should be isolated from the ground bus and the ground in the subpanel should be fed back and attached to the single point of ground in the main panel.

So on your drawing the wires shown from the radio to the antenna should go away and the wire showing a ground going from the antenna to the panel in house should go away just leaving the buried #6 bond in place. Then the ground from the radio should be run to the panel as mentioned above.

This keeps everything downstreaming to the original house ground whatever it may be. You can still surge through the ground, so it is a good thing to install a surge arrester at least in the main panel. I would also consider secondary surge protection at sensitive electronic equipment such as your computer or even a flat screen TV.

Alright let's try and get a little deeper. Sometimes a little sketch helps. enter image description here

This image is very primitive grounding schematic showing the usual methods of grounding and includes the proper way to connect to the antenna. Also note that the NEC does not cover antennas and lighting protection that is found in NFPA 780 and IEEE but I don't know which section of hand.

Everything must be bonded back from the antenna prior to the bond at the first means of disconnect. As I have said before this is to provide as much dispersion of the strike into the ground, and then if you have installed a surge protector it will suppress the strike trying to make its way upstream either in the power lines or in this case the ground.

If you connect the radio or any other equipment attached to the antenna ground after the bond at the first means of disconnect, then you have bridged the surge protection and left your entire electrical system to the full force of the strike. The only other thing I could think of is that you might be thinking a shield is a ground to the radio (like the outer protection of a coax). But a shield is a drain that bleeds off outside induction and frequency interference. It should be attached to the ground on one end but is left ungrounded at the other ergo it is not a ground. If you say it is impossible to unground the radio from the antenna then you must not attach it to the building ground and make it a separately derived system.

As I have said before grounding can become a fairly complex problem because it means different thing to different people. Is it grounded or grounding, a bond, an equipment bond or ground, a counterpoise, or a signal reference grid, or a ground ring or even a shield and many others.

Personally I am just trying to help people who may not have the same skill level from getting themselves into a situation where they are creating a harm to themselves or others. Hope this helps.

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    "The radio ground should not be attached to the antenna ground" This is impossible for this kind of antenna, as half the antenna is a field of radial wires buried in the ground. And besides, if the antenna were not grounded, and there were a strike on the antenna, where would the strike current go except through the radio?
    – Phil Frost
    Aug 7, 2017 at 14:41
  • @PhilFrost - Reread the answer I didn't say anything about disconnecting the antenna ground. Just how to do it properly. If you insist that the radio ground must be attached to the antenna then the surge protection at the panel will not protect the radio. You will need a separate surge protection at the radio. Buy the way if your antenna takes a direct hit from the antenna, chances are the surge protector trying to protect your radio, won't protect it. If you are having trouble digesting all of this it might be better to consult an specialty engineer. Aug 7, 2017 at 16:52
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    Is there any ambiguity in "The radio ground should not be attached to the antenna ground"? How do you propose I connect the antenna feedline to the radio, without connecting the radio to the antenna ground, when the feedline shield is the antenna ground?
    – Phil Frost
    Aug 7, 2017 at 17:28
  • While the NEC doesn't cover lightning protection per se -- Art 810 of the NEC covers antennae generally, including grounding setups for same. Aug 9, 2017 at 3:54

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