# Deck Stairs on Uneven Ground -

How do you recommend putting in deck stairs on uneven ground? I have significant slope in both directions - 8 inches sideways across a step and 3.5 inches down the steps. See attached drawing showing wrap-around steps at the corner, but the highest point from the ground to the top of the deck is 20 inches, which slopes down towards the bottom of the stairs to a height of 23.5 inches. The lowest point from the ground to the top of the deck is 15 inches.

Nothing has been built yet, so I can change the layout if this isn't going to work. But I'd really like to make it work because it seems to be the best location convenience-wise for the steps. Open to other suggestions though.

• Support them on something level. You can put in some footers with even tops. or dig out the ground to level the support area, compact it, and add paver base, like you would for a patio or sidewalk. Then rest the steps on that. May 7, 2017 at 4:39
• Footers seem most attractive to me, but I'm not sure how it would work with 8 inches difference between the left and the right sides of the steps? Wouldn't an 8 inch difference mean the rise of the bottom step would be super high on the low side (like 8 inches for the post to bring it up to the same level as the high side, plus the standard 7 inch rise)? If so, that's not going to pass inspection. May 7, 2017 at 17:53

Uneven ground is very complicated for steps. You really want the distance from the last step to the ground to be uniform across the step, and the distance to the ground should be the same as the height of a step (i.e., if you have risers, the last one should be at ground level.

The right way to do this is to grade in the area of the steps so that a distance equivalent to at least several treads in front of the steps is level and then tapers gradually to meet the surrounding grade. You can do this by building up the low area, reducing the high area, or a combination of the two, which minimizes materials needed or needing to be disposed of.

You have some flexibility because a 7" riser is common but not a requirement. There is a relationship between the riser and the tread (2 x riser + tread = 26 to 27 inches). You generally don't want to go above an 8" rise, and a 10" tread is pretty narrow, so those factor limit the height. But you can go with long, shallow steps in the other direction, which is very comfortable to use. Here is a handy chart: http://www.gardengatemagazine.com/64stepchart/.

So you have several things to factor into a solution that you can adjust to best fit your situation.

• The ground has some grade, probably in several directions. Besides being uneven from side to side of the steps, it may slope as you move away from the steps. So how far out the steps come based on the tread size will likely affect the total height you need to transition with the steps.
• You need an integer number of steps, but you can adjust the riser vs. the tread to optimize the distance covered vs. grading requirements. For example, if the yard has a slope down going away from the deck, more distance covered by treads will require more total rise, so you might add an additional step to accomplish a more desirable step profile or to land at a point where the ground is more even so less grading would be required.

You can do this with trial and error calculations and a bunch of measurements of relative yard elevations at different points using a long level, or a board and a level, and ruler. The grade will not be perfect, so after you optimize everything, you will still need to do some amount of grading.

Grade to a little lower than you need. Install the stringers, supported by footers. Then fine-tune the grade. Lack of treads will give you access "under" the steps. Then install the treads.