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I am putting in a few new outlets in an enclosed patio, running a new circuit through the attic using 12-2. I would like to go from the panel to the first outlet, then to the second and then the 3rd. The run would be via the attic and the cable would just be exposed on the vertical run from the attic down to the outlet.

I would like to run this exposed section, about a 10 ft vertical run per outlet, in conduit. I would prefer to not have to run multiple conduits per box and was hoping I could use 3/4" LT or PVC - again just for the vertical section from the attic to the outlet. It isn't a wet or damp location, I just want it protected from any possible accidents.

Would this be acceptable to pull two 12-2 cable per 3/4" conduit at least for the first 2 outlets or do I need to put in a junction box along the way and then just run a 1/2" down to the outlet? I'd really prefer not to do this.

I know I shouldn't put cable in conduit for the full run, which I am not doing. This is just for exposure protection and I am not clear what the best practices are.

  • What's LT conduit? Never heard of the stuff before – ThreePhaseEel Jan 16 '17 at 23:34
  • was short for Liquidtight. – JoeWills Jan 17 '17 at 1:51
  • Liquid tight ia gonna be a pain with any more than one 12-2. With scheduled 40 PVC two is about the most from a practical standpoint – Kris Jan 17 '17 at 22:21
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    You can't put nmsc in conduit, it's not rated for that application. – user65336 Jan 18 '17 at 23:17
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    @user65336, looks like that's not quite correct: diy.stackexchange.com/questions/31149/… In fact, it looks like that answer also has the key to answering this one: "For cables that have elliptical cross sections, the cross-sectional area calculation shall be based on using the major diameter of the ellipse as a circle diameter." – Michael Mol Apr 26 '17 at 12:34
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Liquidtight

If by "LT" you mean Liquidtight flexible conduit (metallic or nonmetallic), and you're looking for protection from physical damage. That's not an option, since it's not permitted to be used where subject to physical damage.

PVC

You'll have to use schedule 80 PVC, to provide protection from physical damage.

Calculate Fill

To calculate conduit fill for cables, you treat each cable as a single conductor and calculate the fill based on the major diameter of the cable (looked up from manufacturer documentation). For Southwire® Romex® SIMpull® 12/2 with ground cable, the major diameter is listed at 410 mils.

A = πr²
A = π * ((410/2)/1000)²
A = π * (0.205)²
A = π * 0.042025
A = 0.13202543126711106084639258818232 in.²

Since you're using the conduit as a sleeve, and not a complete conduit system, you should be able to fill the conduit to 100%. However, filling to 100% will make it impossible to pull the cables, so you'll want to stay well below that.

3/4" Schedule 80 PVC has a total area of 0.409 in.², of which two 12/2 with ground NM-B cables will fill 65% of. Depending on how long the sleeve is, this might make it quite difficult to pull the cables through.

Fill = Conductor Area / Total Area
Fill = (0.132025 * 2) / 0.409
Fill = 0.26405 / 0.409
Fill = 0.6456 = 65%

To put this in perspective. If this was two wires in a complete conduit system, you'd only be able to fill to 31% of the total area of the conduit (0.127 in.²).

Wet and Damp Locations

If this area can be considered damp or wet, you'll have to use cable rated for wet/damp locations. In this case, you'll want to use UF-B cable (463 mil major diameter). Two of these cables will fill 82% of the conduit, making it nearly impossible to pull by hand (depending on the length).

Fill = (((π * ((463 / 1000) / 2)²) * 2) / 0.409) * 100
Fill = 82.33%

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The rule of thumb that I've seen in researching this is to not fill the conduit more than 40% full, however, I cannot find a definitive citation for this. The general idea is found in Chapter 9 of the NEC.

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    I won't down vote you, but there are specific conduit fill tables in the NEC. This question does have a specific answer. – Tyson Jan 16 '17 at 23:14
  • Thanks @tyson ! I was hoping to answer this question but couldn't find a definitive answer during the short time I had yesterday. Hopefully someone can use my 'answer' to find the correct answer. :) – Scott Ramboz Jan 17 '17 at 14:56

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