Timeline for Odd ceiling fan wiring, white in hot side of outlet
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| May 8, 2017 at 3:34 | comment | added | DYarr | also, if curious, i also had posted this issue here... (doityourself.com/forum/electrical-ac-dc/…) if you want to see this pesky junction box. Like i said, i removed this entire leg and started over, creating the diagram i referenced. | |
| May 8, 2017 at 3:22 | comment | added | DYarr | Thank you everyone for your assistance with this. Let's see what i find when i start to replace the outlets in the other bedrooms.... | |
| May 8, 2017 at 3:18 | comment | added | DYarr | toclarify, i was not meaning to use the white as a hot wire.Since this entire issue was a "leg" off the wall receptacle box,i simply removed it all and installed new romex wiring,as if i were installing a new ceiling fan from scratch,mystery junction box is now gone. I used the outlet as my power source,black to brass etc.,white neutral,ground to ground.Then ran another new romex from the switch to the fan.I now have the exact circuit i had referenced earlier, here "www.do-it-yourself-help.com/wiring_diagram_ceilingfan.html scroll down to the "Source at the Switch", 2nd picture." | |
| May 8, 2017 at 3:07 | comment | added | DYarr | to clarify, i was not meaning to use the white as a hot wire. The white "hot" was being used as the power source for the switch, and then to the fan. Removing the white killed all power to the switch/fan circuit. | |
| May 7, 2017 at 22:04 | comment | added | ThreePhaseEel | @DYarr -- post the photos to imgur and link them here, then we can edit them in | |
| May 7, 2017 at 21:20 | comment | added | Ken | @DYarr don't use that white as a hot wire - it is seriously wrong to do this - someone could come behind you some year and get killed. your linked diagram is fine. Your neutral in the USA residence is WHITE. Your HOT is BLACK. Obviously that switch has a hot lead on it , so a side by side switch arrangement is easy enough. Some Fan Switches are integrated light/fan / speed . Count your outlet as a separate project from the Ceiling fan - ISOLATE the two Fan circuit with switch. Outlet Circuit for the outlet. | |
| May 7, 2017 at 20:51 | comment | added | DYarr | @Ken i added another update to the original post. Does that sound right to you? To fix this situation, i essentially want to get it setup as a "normal" source at switch diagram. | |
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| May 7, 2017 at 20:00 | comment | added | Ken | @DYarr perhaps this outlet box was also being used as a junction box for that capped black wire. Can't imagine it being all original code violations .. Yes I did mean when the white is disconnected you have 120V (I assume that is what you meant but want to be sure? And per your update (if that white has 120V - is hot - when disconnected) that white can't be going to all those whites in the attic unless something is VERY wrong! No inspector would pass that, I am guessing the reno was done with out permit and by a DIY'er - you can check your local county records for that. | |
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| May 7, 2017 at 18:06 | comment | added | DYarr | i would like to but the forum will not let me post another picture until i get more rep points. There is a single 14/2 wire in the switch box. --ground to ground screw --white to top brass screw --black to bottom brass screw | |
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| May 7, 2017 at 15:00 | comment | added | ThreePhaseEel | Can you post a photo of the inside of the switch box? | |
| May 7, 2017 at 11:13 | answer | added | ThreePhaseEel | timeline score: 4 | |
| May 7, 2017 at 7:33 | comment | added | DYarr | additionally... Ken, thank you for your assistance here | |
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| May 7, 2017 at 6:54 | comment | added | DYarr | There is only the one switch for this ceiling fan. This single switch controls power to both the light and fan at the same time. I use the pull chains on the fan to control them separately. I am in the USA. I agree i need to find out where that white hot is going... do you mean when i disconnect it is it still hot? | |
| May 7, 2017 at 6:47 | comment | added | Ken | also you will need to locate where that white HOT wire is connected to - when it is removed; can you measure 120V on that wire ? | |
| May 7, 2017 at 6:42 | comment | added | Ken | is there more than one switch for this particular ceiling fan / outlet? Your 14/2 you said went to the ceiling fan so the light did not have a separate power line ? Hence how on earth will the wall switch turn on/off only the light - you would need a third wire for that do you find another 14/2 in there ? Assuming you are in the USA - That WHITE being hot is a Code Violation!!!! your reno may have been a DIY. Please refer to the receptacle box as the receptacle box or simply box and not as a receptacle - an AC plug goes into the receptacle which is known as the outlet as well. | |
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