Home Improvement Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for contractors and serious DIYers. It's 100% free, no registration required.

Sign up
Here's how it works:
  1. Anybody can ask a question
  2. Anybody can answer
  3. The best answers are voted up and rise to the top

My wife and I just recently closed on our first home. The home was built in 1930 and aged excellently. The couple who we bought the home from had purchased it as a foreclosure in 2006 and made it their retirement project to completely restore the place; they did a wonderful job and covered almost everything.

Before getting to the question; there are no visible signs that the water heater is going bad. It's a 240V electric water heater with two 4500 watt elements. It's still capable of pumping out crazy hot water (I need to turn the temperature down I believe). Without looking closer at it and it's tags, I never would have guessed, but it was installed in March of 1984 - it's almost a 32yo heater. Everything I've seen and heard says that most heaters only last half of that time. The other thing that might affect it, is that it was winterized in October of 2004. Our guess is that it was cleaned out then and that extended it's life, but I'm unsure.

They all eventually wear out, I'd just like to know what the thought is on this and if we should bite the bullet and be looking for a new one before it goes.


Oh and my other thought is what this could be doing to our electric bill. I'd take the guess of course that the newer ones are all more energy efficient and we'd be saving some money there to make up for it. We also have natural gas to the house; I believe we'll go with a gas heater next time around from what I've heard, but I'm not really sure if it saves much money there either?

Thanks


32 year old water heater - 1984 installation

Energy tag

Didn't read the tag correct before now.. it's it least $800 a year or about $65 each monthly power bill.

I think it'd definitely pay for itself to replace it. From what I've seen, the models today are more like $500 a year. That's $25 saved per month.

share|improve this question
4  
Plus one for not calling it a "hot water heater". :P – isherwood Jan 5 at 15:39
5  
Don't fix it if it aint broke. Keep an eye on it, shut it down and de-pressure it if you leave for an extended time period. Every year (month, day, hour) you wait, amortized across the cost and life expectancy of a new unit, saves you $$. – Jimmy Fix-it Jan 5 at 17:51
2  
"Ain't broke"? My gas water heater doesn't even get to $100/year. $500/year sounds very broken to me. – Martin Argerami Jan 6 at 12:03
2  
@MartinArgerami That's the original tag too, back when electricity was $0.0763 a kW.. very different from the $0.12 that it is now... so $804. I guess that also depends on usage too however, but that's still quiet more than the heaters nowadays. – TFK Jan 6 at 13:26
    
This is a great question; I'm in a very similar situation. I'm guessing from the answers a lot of people assume your water heater is in an unfinished space where a flood would be more of a nuisance than cause serious damage (as now shown by your pictures). I wonder what the responses would be if the unit is in a fully finished 1200sf basement? The location is not near a drain or sump pump either, which is frustrating. – pbarranis Jan 6 at 13:30
up vote 5 down vote accepted

1984! You are now the proud owners of a historic landmark! Many circumstances effect how long a water heater can last. The maintenance it was given (as you suggested), but mostly what material was used and their quality to manufacture the parts are the surest way to predict the lifespan of any product.

You also heard correctly; at the very most todays mid-priced tanks will only perform for 10-12 years (possibly a bit more) before the tank rusts through or the valve stops functioning (the two problems commonly making a homeowner purchase a new one).

Presently you will only find high efficiency tanks for purchase. Long gone are the standing pilot light gas burner, replaced by a push button Piezo ignitor. The electric models haven't changed much overtime. All types have increased in price though (substantially!). It has been my understanding that when selecting a new tank you should select the best model that your budget allows. Also remember that gas fuel is less expensive than electric (unless you have a PV array spinning your meter backwards).

To sum up , although your tank is functioning as it should it is well into it's golden years. It would be wise to seriously start looking and considering what type of tank is going to replace it.

1984! Would you please post a picture for posterity! Some of my co-workers won't believe me!

share|improve this answer
    
I know right, as soon as I saw that tag I knew we had something special... especially with how well it still works. I'll get you a picture of it later tonight. – TFK Jan 5 at 20:06
    
Interestingly, the Rheem units for sale at Home Depot now have push-button ignition, presumably for a standing pilot. Frankly, I don't think that amount of gas reduces efficiency appreciably. – isherwood Jan 5 at 20:12
    
@Isherwood- my bad about the glow plugs. corrected to Piezo. – ojait Jan 5 at 21:05
    
@ojait I think you mean that gas is more cost-effective, not efficient. Electric heat is basically 100% effecient since all of the energy is expended in the element and directly heats the water; gas is always less efficient since there's hot air getting blown out a vent. The same is true for heaters and stoves. That said, to the best of my knowledge there's nowhere in the US where gas is so expensive or electricity so cheap that gas isn't more cost effective for all heating needs. – pbarranis Jan 5 at 21:07
    
@pbarranis-thanks. corrected. – ojait Jan 5 at 21:13

Newer water heaters do not last as nearly as long as they used to. Nowadays, you are lucky to get 10 years out of one. This is due to the way they are manufactured.

There are still some water heaters around that are from the 1960s that work perfectly fine. The tanks on some of those heaters are made out of copper, and won't corrode like modern steel tanks.

Your tank most likely has replaceable sacrificial anodes in the tank. These anodes will corrode instead of the walls of the tank. The life of your heater will be much longer if the anodes are maintained. These are fairly universal, so you should be able to find ones that are compatible. The anodes should be inspected or replaced at least every 5 years.

The newer heaters do offer an energy savings, and some of them have a programmable timer on them which can turn down the temperature at night, and when you are away. They are also better insulated, so there is less heat loss. You can purchase a water heater blanket which will add an additional layer of insulation to the tank.

As long as there aren't any signs of failure on the tank such as rust spots, etc, then you should be good to go. Just as a warning, tanks can fail suddenly, and without warning. A leaking water heater could potentially flood your entire basement. There are water leak detection alarms on the market that are inexpensive which set off an alarm similar to a smoke detector if a leak is detected. It would be a good idea to install one just in case. Even newer water heaters can fail, so it is actually a good practice to have one of these alarms for any water tank installation.

share|improve this answer
2  
In the photo there is a warning that says that the tank should not be externally insulated. This is because the outer skin is designed for ambient temperature, and excessive external insulation would raise the skin temperature to water temperature. In practice you'd probably be fine provided you didn't put insulation over any plastic components. But it's probably best not to take the risk. This all applies to the outer skin. Under the outer skin there will be insulation, and under that will be the actual tank (which obviously will be designed for the water temperature.) – Level River St Jan 6 at 10:04

Electric resistance water heaters are only slightly more efficient (better insulation is the only reason) now than they were then. From that point of view you could apply an insulation overwrap and be money ahead. If the tank is solid and you check and/or replace the anode regularly (and flush the bottom) to keep it that way, you may simply be benefitting from favorable water chemistry and/or careful prior owners. 32 years is an awfully long time though, so some peace of mind might come with a new one.

Heat pump water heaters are significantly more efficient than pure resistance electric water heaters, but also significantly more expensive, though that can be offset by rebates in some areas.

Depending on the relative prices of electricity and natural gas, and availability of gas at your house, it either does or does not make sense - there is no single answer for that. The logical appeal of tankless units is offset in practice by how low the "standby losses" of a well-insulated tank unit actually are, and the additional complexity (= ability to go wrong) of control system and sensitivity to water chemistry (scaling, perforation) the tankless heat exchangers represent. Many people who installed one when they were at peak popularity have not really seen much payback, since most of the heat going into a tank unit with regular use comes out as hot water used, and there's no fuel savings on that.

share|improve this answer
    
The sticker on the existing tank says not to apply an outer insulation blanket -- see photo that was added after your answer was posted. – Brian Rogers Jan 6 at 17:37

You can't really know what "winterized" meant. But, to last that long the water is either very low in minerals or the anode rod has been changed out regularly...any water heater can last forever if the tank is kept protected from the inside.

Gas isn't any bargain over electric (in my area) & you need both a chimney of some sort & the gas plumbing. I think it was April of last year that all water heaters are now much better insulated, so a new one would be a big help.

Marathon tanks aren't steel so they're top of the list for longevity. Measure for a new one's fit before you decide on a new one, vertically & horizontally.

share|improve this answer

Newer water heaters can be substantially more efficient, both in terms of heating efficiency and thermal loss through the tank walls. It might be worth replacing it for that reason alone, though payoff will be in years, not months.

I'd install a direct-vent gas unit, personally. They're more efficient, and turnaround time is much better. You'll almost never encounter a situation where the second or third person to shower gets the cold shoulder.

Regardless, water heaters should be flushed annually to remove sediment, etc. There are plenty of how-tos to be found for that.

share|improve this answer
    
Heaters are always 100%. Efficiency is measured in how much electricity you are losing to waste heat (which implies you want something other than heat). If you want heat, you get 100% for sure. (exception: projection-booth heaters, aka movie projectors, lose a few percent to light escaping the booth.) – Harper Jan 5 at 18:54
    
Yes, but there's more to a heater than just the heating element. Controller logic and other improvements do help. – isherwood Jan 5 at 18:58
    
Please don't ask new questions in comments. SE isn't really a discussion forum. – isherwood Jan 5 at 20:10

I would carefully consider where the water heater is located within the house.

In both the houses I have owned (build dates of 1985 and 1912), the water heaters were installed in unfinished basements. Over the course of time, both of these water heaters failed and sprang leaks.

Fortunately in both cases, the leak water simply drained away without causing any damage other than the inconvenience of a damper than normal basement floor (dirt, covered with plastic sheeting).

Had these water heaters been installed in an attic or upstairs closet, the water damage would likely have been far more significant.

share|improve this answer

This tank is certainly a veteran! I'd have it flushed and the anode rod checked -- if more than 6" of bare wire core is visible, then you should start considering a replacement water heater. If the anode's still OK and the tank isn't rusting, I'd retrofit the tank with a curved dip tube and ball drain valve (if that hasn't been done already), throw a fresh anode in there, and be good for another 6-12 years (or more!) until the next anode change.

share|improve this answer

Assume you're going to live in the house for several years.

Assume that a water heater that old is getting closer and closer to it's end of life.

Assume you're going to have to replace it anyways at some point.

(I think those are all fair assumptions)

Given all of that, you can choose to replace it before something goes wrong, or after. The catch with the latter is that when a water heater dies, it can cause a lot of damage (if it's a leak) or a lot of cost (if it's a holiday and midnight and your really need hot water for your in-laws that are visiting).

So I would strongly recommend you replace it now.

Furthermore, as stated a water heater today is going to be more efficient, so will save you some money there. If you convert to a new technology, such as a heat-pump water heater, it may be a lot more efficient.

And a big bonus is that your utility may offer rebates for you if you replace it. Around here, I was able to replace my water heater essentially for free with a combination of a sale at Lowes and a big rebate check from the utility.

share|improve this answer
2  
"End of life" for a water heater isn't an absolute cutoff -- provided the tank hasn't actually gone into "rusting out" mode, you can reset the clock on it with a simple anode replacement. – ThreePhaseEel Jan 6 at 0:11
    
@ThreePhaseEel if one replaces the sacrificial rod regularly, a tank should last forever. But few people do, so yes, the end of life is pretty much synonymous with something corroding to the point of failure. – DA01 Jan 6 at 6:27

Our water tank/heater was fitted in 1968 and the previous owner didn't even switch it off once in the past 27 years.

Still get piping hot water even after 6 people showering so I'm loathe to replace it with an undoubtedly inferior modern equivalent.

The tank is in a drained basement so no biggie if it does leak and on that basis I'll not replace it until it fails. I'd suggest you do the same as recovering the installation costs of a new unit through potential energy savings is a dodgy calculation at best.

share|improve this answer

Your Answer

 
discard

By posting your answer, you agree to the privacy policy and terms of service.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.